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Survey: 9Th Ward Can Be Rebuilt (New Orleans)
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 1-7-2007 | Cain Burdeau

Posted on 01/07/2007 3:32:09 PM PST by blam

Survey: 9th Ward Can Be Rebuilt

Sunday January 7, 2007 10:46 PM

By CAIN BURDEAU

Associated Press Writer

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - The predominantly black neighborhoods known as the 9th Ward can be brought back largely as they existed before Hurricane Katrina flooded them, a survey contends.

The finding contradicts the common perception that the neighborhoods are so damaged that they need to be rebuilt from scratch, said urban planners who conducted the survey.

``The structural integrity of the buildings, even in the most devastated areas, are in much better condition than has been reported,'' said Kenneth Reardon, chair of Cornell University's city and regional planning department.

Urban planners and students at Cornell, Columbia University and the University of Illinois carried out the survey, which was sponsored by ACORN, a national group that works to improve poor and moderate-income neighborhoods. The findings were released Saturday.

The only section needing to be rebuilt lies directly next to the levee breach on the Industrial Canal, an area that covers less than 1 square mile in the Lower 9th Ward, the survey found. Homes there were battered by flood waters of Katrina and later from Hurricane Rita.

The survey found that more than 80 percent of the 9th Ward structures ``suffered no terminal structural damage'' and that the majority of those structures were built atop piers, making it easier to raise them to meet new flood zone requirements.

Researchers and structural engineers based their assessment on the inspection of about 3,000 buildings.

Yet, the neighborhoods are being repopulated very slowly because of the bureaucratic and financial hurdles residents face, the survey concluded after interviewing hundreds of residents. Only about 20 percent of the residents have returned home, the survey found.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 9thward; butwhy; gangs; katrina; neworleans; welfare
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1 posted on 01/07/2007 3:32:10 PM PST by blam
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brought back largely as they existed before Hurricane Katrina flooded them
But why would they want to?

From what I have seen over on the Mississippi side of things, these folks have no earthly idea what flood waters do to wooden structures. The mold and mildew are unbelievable.
Folks can be ingenious, maybe they have come up with a way to get rid of it permanently.
2 posted on 01/07/2007 3:37:51 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: blam

oh goodie..now the murder rate will double or triple once they all come back..AFTER MORE billions are poured into the city..


3 posted on 01/07/2007 3:38:27 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info..)
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To: blam

the 9th Ward can be brought back largely as they existed before Hurricane Katrina flooded them, a survey contends.


Rebuild a slum, sounds good.


4 posted on 01/07/2007 3:41:54 PM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: GrandEagle
My line of work, and I can tell you they haven't. A wood frame structure that's been underwater for several weeks is very rarely restorable to anything like preflood conditions, at least if you consider environmental conditions rather than just structural ones.

OTOH, maybe liberal Brits think it's okay for poor American blacks to be moved back into unsanitary buildings.

5 posted on 01/07/2007 3:42:05 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Yup- they'll pour billions into it with all brand spankin new stuff which the criminals can steal when they come back. http://sacredscoop.com


6 posted on 01/07/2007 3:42:53 PM PST by CottShop
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To: blam
New Orleans is sort of similar to the World Trade Center. Some support it being rebuilt because of its history and as a gesture of American perseverance.

However, New Orleans is largely below sea level, next to the Gulf of Mexico and Lake Ponchartrain (spelling?), and with the Mississippi River, too. Plus, its voodoo and corruption culture was bad. Similarly, the World Trade Center was comprised of two ugly, drab gray buildings. Their replacements are prettier.

7 posted on 01/07/2007 3:44:43 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( WND, NewsMax, Townhall.com, and Drudge Report are not valid news sources.)
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To: blam
Is this what these scholarly "academics" consider structurally sound?
8 posted on 01/07/2007 3:50:11 PM PST by sinclair (I'm not interested in trading my testosterone for anti-depression pills.)
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To: blam
"The predominantly black neighborhoods known as the 9th Ward can be brought back largely as they existed before Hurricane Katrina flooded them, a survey contends."

Of course they can, given enough OPM (Other People's Money)
9 posted on 01/07/2007 3:54:15 PM PST by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: blam
"the 9th Ward can be brought back largely as they existed before Hurricane Katrina "

That's GREAT!

Tar-paper shacks, filled with non-working welfare clients....just what the Democrats need.

/sarc

10 posted on 01/07/2007 3:56:33 PM PST by traditional1
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To: blam

Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD.


11 posted on 01/07/2007 3:56:37 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Barack Saddam Hussein Obama)
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To: Sherman Logan
I know I would never purchase one that has been underwater and give much for it at all.
I have a friend who has got several of them from the MS Gulf coast just for the cost of moving them onto some land he owns. He had them "refurbished", and is renting them out. He plans to recoup his money through renting them - he could barely give them away if he tried to sell them.

A family friend on the Gulf coast, just built a nice home - $250,000 range. She had it build close to the water, but in an area that had not flooded in recent memory.
Her insurance agent told he that she was not in a zone that flooded and didn't need flood insurance.
She had 10 inches of water on the SECOND floor.
She is stuck now. Typical new home - built more than she could really afford so it is 90% financed with interest only loan. Two years into it she still owed the $250,000. It cost almost $150,000 to rework the house - she got a small business loan to do that. Now she is $400,000 dollars into a house that you MIGHT get $30,000 for now.
Just a couple stupid decisions (building close to the water, no flood insurance, too much house)and a few years out of school she is buried with not much way out.
Honestly - I see her just walking away from the whole thing in a year or so.
12 posted on 01/07/2007 3:58:34 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: blam
No mention of what it will cost to rebuild it "the way it was".

No consideration of the fact that the buildings had not been built to modern building codes and should not be rebuilt the way they were.

No mention of the fact that the only way the homes could be insured at a price the residents could afford would be if the government insured the homes with rates a fraction of what the rates should be to cover the risk.

If the residents want to rebuild and can afford to do so, including the costs of insuring their property, they should rebuild.

Homes and businesses should not be rebuild with tax dollars.

Tax dollars should only be spent to clear debris and condemned buildings when the property owner is unable to pay for their removal.

13 posted on 01/07/2007 3:59:02 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: blam
The predominantly black neighborhoods known as the 9th Ward can be brought back largely as they existed before Hurricane Katrina flooded them, a survey contends.

A craphole!!?? Why would anyone want to rebuild a craphole?? If someone wants to rebuild the 9th ward or NOLA (both of which are VERY bad ideas, IMO), why not build something substantially better? Of course the Guardian would never think in those terms.
14 posted on 01/07/2007 4:00:12 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Sherman Logan
A wood frame structure that's been underwater for several weeks is very rarely restorable to anything like preflood conditions, at least if you consider environmental conditions rather than just structural ones.

The only thing those old houses have going for them is the fact that many were framed using cypress lumber, which is very resistant to water damage. That is also the main reason that so many of those old houses were still standing *before* Katrina, despite serious neglect. The big problem, though, is that many of the houses parted ways with their "pier" foundations and basically crumbled when the water receded. Some had floated out into the street, some came back down half-on and half-off their pier, and so on. This report is a load of horse manure.

Funny how so many of the structures in the Lower 9th are allegedly salvageable, while so many similar structures (in design and age, but not condition) in Lakeview (the primarily white neighborhood near the 17th Street Canal floodwall breach) are beyond repair. About one-third of the homes in Lakeview (informal estimate, based on a dozen or so streets I drove over the New Years' weekend) have been bulldozed.

Sounds like Ray Nagin got the results that he requested.

15 posted on 01/07/2007 4:00:28 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: GrandEagle

Odds are she could have built where she did, just slightly differently, and been more or less okay. One key is to build elevated. Put the garage under the house rather than beside it. If her first floor had been a couple feet higher than her second floor was, she would have had little problem.

Hindsight, I know. But people are still building slab on grade homes all along the coast.

BTW, I find it hilarious that she would go to an insurance agent for advice about whether her home is likely to be flooded.


16 posted on 01/07/2007 4:06:15 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Cailleach

ping


17 posted on 01/07/2007 4:07:12 PM PST by kalee (No burka for me....EVER!)
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To: Charles Martel

I didn't take the cypress factor into account. Certainly it's a lot more resistant than most other woods.

Another factor nobody takes into account is that wood swells when wet and when it shrinks the nails are no longer heldas tightly, losing adhesion which is aggravated by rusting/corrosion of all fasteners. Even if the wood is okay the structure isn't nearly as strong as it was before the wetting.


18 posted on 01/07/2007 4:10:14 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
I find it hilarious that she would go to an insurance agent for advice about whether her home is likely to be flooded.
No Kidding - We were stunned too.
Right out of college with no idea how things really work, and she doesn't ask for any help??? She had a "leave me alone, I'm a big girl" attitude.
Now she understands that we ALL can use some advice from people who have traveled the road before us. The older I get, the more I ask.
19 posted on 01/07/2007 4:11:50 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: Sherman Logan
A wood frame structure that's been underwater for several weeks is very rarely restorable to anything like preflood conditions...

But The Guardian is quoting a professor...from Cornell...and he's an...an...an...expert!

At least he'll say he is...

20 posted on 01/07/2007 4:15:29 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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