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Anglers Fear Ban On 'Cruel' Live Bait Will Spread (UK)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 1-7-2007 | Jasper Copping

Posted on 01/06/2007 8:18:54 PM PST by blam

Anglers fear ban on 'cruel' live bait will spread

By Jasper Copping, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 12:30am GMT 07/01/2007

Anglers are to be banned from using live fish as bait after politicians decided it was cruel.

The ban, which will apply in Scotland, has angered fishermen south of the border who believe it has handed a major victory to animal rights campaigners calling for similar legislation in the rest of Britain.

Steve Greenway, a leading angler from Staffordshire who has been on 105 fishing trips to Scotland, said: "If I thought live bait was cruel, I wouldn't use it. Where will it all end? Do you stop using maggots and worms as well?"

advertisement Mark Barrett, the general secretary of the Pike Anglers' Club of Great Britain, said: "To have the law change like this on your doorstep is going to be a concern for people in the rest of the UK."

The blanket ban was a last-minute amendment to the Aquaculture and Fisheries Bill, which has just passed through the Scottish Parliament without any objections.

It has already been strongly endorsed by Scotland's deputy environment minister Rhona Brankin and will pass through the legislature for a final time in the next three months before becoming law.

Green Party MSP Eleanor Scott, who is deputy convenor of the environment and rural affairs development committee and an architect of the Bill, said: "Anglers won't like me saying it, but fish do feel pain and we felt there was a cruelty issue here."

The politicians also believe live bait threatens fish stocks by introducing alien species into their habitats which may bring diseases and parasites.

Putting live small fish such as roach on a hook is a common tactic for catching larger, predatory fish like trout, perch and pike, which are drawn to the movement.

The coarse fishing industry contributes up to £7 million a year to the Scottish economy. Ron Woods, a policy officer from the Scottish Federation for Coarse Angling, said: "This will hurt fishing tourism."

But Yvonne Taylor, from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, said the ban was a "massive first step" in the group's fight for one in the rest of Britain.

Angling is the nation's most popular participation sport, with an estimated four million devotees. In recent years their hobby has been increasingly targeted by animal rights activists. Last summer saw a spate of attacks on fishermen.

Scientists are divided on the issue of whether fish can feel pain.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: anglers; animalrights; bait; cruel; fishing; govwatch; live; peta
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To: SoldierDad

Absolute insanity............I can't belive this happened in Scotland...they are smart people.

I don't care what it takes to get the filet into my vacuum packer.


21 posted on 01/06/2007 10:15:12 PM PST by fishhound
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To: blam
Next, are they gonna ban sushi?

I got a friend who calls that stuff "bait"...

22 posted on 01/06/2007 10:19:54 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Atchafalaya
Meh yeah, Pogy's off the Belle Pass/Little Pass rocks and hope for some big specs/reds at same and the Fourchon rigs.

Are you psychic or what.....we used to catch some big reds there....back when we were allowed to keep 'em.

Last time I was fishing anywhere near there was 1971 so I'm way out of date.

23 posted on 01/06/2007 10:21:47 PM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: blam
Idiot Scots - there is also a movement there to banish kitchen knives. "Braveheart", indeed.
24 posted on 01/06/2007 10:35:42 PM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: blam
These people, not all Brits, just these idiots, deserve to be overrun by the Muzzies, who will not care a fig for the bait fish. Except of course as bait, or food.
25 posted on 01/06/2007 10:48:10 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: blam

England. No hunting, no fishing. Will the last (real) man leaving England turn out the lights please?


26 posted on 01/07/2007 2:50:43 AM PST by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids

I fly fish but I've always understood that the reason fly fishing exists is to make it harder to catch fish. When I want to catch some fish to eat I use bait. When I want to spend a day on the river enjoying myself (and catching very few fish) I fly fish.


27 posted on 01/07/2007 2:54:03 AM PST by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Atchafalaya

Wasn't that what Bill Clinton used?


28 posted on 01/07/2007 2:55:33 AM PST by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: doc1019; billhilly; Grammy; proud_yank; Diana in Wisconsin; george76; SJackson; cf_river_rat

Amen.

However, here in the US, PETA also wants to see the "cruel" sport of fishing banned.

Our grandchildren may see this happen someday.

Who would of thought this would happen in Scotland? I have a friend who is going fishing in Scotland, Africa, and Japan this year. Of course, she is flyfishing. But she'd just as soon dunk a worm, and like me, likes all methods of fishing.


29 posted on 01/07/2007 3:14:02 AM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: blam

So apparently the basis is that bait can feel pain, but we aren't sure about whether fish can. PETA of course, loves this because the next step is so clear... banning fishing.

Regarding whether or not fish can feel pain, it is worth pointing out that pain doesn't seem to bother fish when they swallow s live spiney baitfish or a live crawdad. They manage.


30 posted on 01/07/2007 3:52:29 AM PST by TN4Liberty (Sixty percent of all people understand statistics. The other half are clueless.)
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To: blam
Oh no...what a dilemma. How far does it go? If using live bait is cruel, then isn't fishing cruel also? But catching fish in a net isn't cruel? But why care only about the fish? What about insects? Should I not spray the wasps that build their homes on my house or stomp on the cockroach for fear that they may spend their last moments in writhing in agony that I, a human, caused them? Or worse, that I enjoyed causing??? There is so much to think about here at the top of the food chain.
31 posted on 01/07/2007 4:17:08 AM PST by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: girlangler

I can't believe this.


32 posted on 01/07/2007 4:41:58 AM PST by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: blam

Wonder how they would feel about noodling/hand-fishing?


33 posted on 01/07/2007 5:10:31 AM PST by T-Bird45
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To: GBA

Can't use live bait because it's not humane? Then, you'll have to kill the little creature first, then fish w/it. Right?


34 posted on 01/07/2007 5:32:34 AM PST by Carolinamom (Thank God that Mary and Joseph were not pro-choicers.)
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To: blam

It'll be enforced sitzpinkeling next....


35 posted on 01/07/2007 5:35:24 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: blam
The politicians also believe live bait threatens fish stocks by introducing alien species into their habitats which may bring diseases and parasites.

This line of reasoning actually makes sense to me. The "fish feel pain" argument is laughable.

36 posted on 01/07/2007 5:37:54 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Hey! What happened to my tagline?)
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To: GBA

"Oh no...what a dilemma. How far does it go? "

The ultimate wish for PETA radicals is that most or all humans commit suicide and leave the world to the animals.

The least they could do is lead by example.


37 posted on 01/07/2007 5:39:15 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: ko_kyi
The least they could do is lead by example.

Now there's an idea I could sink my teeth into :)

38 posted on 01/07/2007 5:47:28 AM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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To: fishhound
Absolute insanity............I can't belive this happened in Scotland...they are smart people.

Apparently not everyone in Scotland is smart. I don't care what it takes to get the filet into my vacuum packer.

Provided it doesn't violate state fish & game regs. The current regs here at home are by and large okay. Let's home that saner heads prevail when it comes to regs like the one passed in Scotland.

39 posted on 01/07/2007 7:04:58 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in Iraq)
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To: blam

Worms will rule the earth!

40 posted on 01/07/2007 7:08:41 AM PST by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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