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Official: Evidence doesn't back Marines (Haditha,, AP/WP Marines 'hit' piece)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 1/6/07 | Robert Burns - ap

Posted on 01/06/2007 2:18:30 PM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - U.S. criminal investigators found no evidence to support the claim of Marines charged in the deaths of unarmed Iraqi civilians that five were shot after trying to flee the scene of a roadside bombing that killed one Marine, a senior defense official said Saturday.

Investigators determined that all five Iraqis were shot within arm's length of each other and no more than 18 feet from the white taxi they were ordered to exit by members of a Marine squad in the western Iraqi town of Haditha, said the official, who is familiar with reports produced by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to publicly discuss details of the killings on Nov. 19, 2005.

Two Marines are charged with murder in the five deaths. They are Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich and Sgt. Sanick P. Dela Cruz.

Two other Marines — Lance Cpl. Justin L. Sharratt and Lance Cpl. Stephen B. Tatum — face murder charges in connection with the deaths of other Iraqi civilians shot shortly after the killings by the taxi.

Through his lawyers, Wuterich has claimed he acted appropriately and within military rules governing the use of deadly force in combat.

Tatum's attorney, Jack Zimmerman, said he got the report the day after Christmas and has not "even begun to crack it." He called disclosure of details from the report a "serious, serious violation" and said he may ask the military to investigate the source of the leak.

Attempts on Saturday to reach lawyers for Wuterich, DelaCruz and Sharratt were unsuccessful.

Dela Cruz told investigators he fired bullets into the five as they lay on the ground and that he later urinated on one, the defense official said.

These details about the deaths were first reported in Saturday's Washington Post, which said it obtained a copy of a lengthy government investigative report. The Post published photos from the investigative file that had not previously been made public; one shows the five Iraqis sprawled near the taxi.

One of the five may have been kneeling at the time he was shot, the defense official told The Associated Press.

In addition to the four Marines facing murder charges, four other Marines who were not at the scene were charged with dereliction of duty for failing to report or properly investigate the killings. In all, the case involves the deaths of 24 Iraqi civilians.

The Haditha investigation is the biggest U.S. criminal case involving civilian deaths so far in the Iraq war.

Members of an explosive ordnance disposal team that was summoned to the scene scoured the taxi and found no weapons or evidence of bomb-making materials, the defense official said. At least two, and possibly four, of the five Iraqis were students; the other was the taxi driver, who was taking the students to school.

The Marines claimed later that the five were attempting to flee and that they fit the profile of military-age men who, in the past, had acted as spotters for insurgents setting off roadside bombs.

The NCIS investigators determined that the five had no apparent link to the bombing that morning in Haditha that shattered a Marine Humvee utility vehicle and killed Lance Cpl. Miguel Terrazas; two other Marines were injured.

The shooting of the men near the taxi was the first in a series of violence responses by the Marines, according to the NCIS investigation. The Marines subsequently raided four nearby houses, killing 18 unarmed civilians inside three of the residences. One other was shot dead outside. Among the dead were women and children.

The Marines were with Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, based at Camp Pendleton, Calif.

After the deaths, the Marines announced that 15 civilians had been killed in Haditha from a roadside bombing and a Marine firefight with insurgents. The Marines said eight insurgents also were killed. The Marines have since acknowledged that that report was false.

The matter, involving an unusually large number of civilian casualties, was not investigated by the military until a Time magazine reporter inquired about the deaths in January 2006.

The military launched the first phase of its investigation in February, and in March it began a separate administrative probe focusing on how the matter was reported in official Marine Corps channels and whether there was an attempted cover-up. On the basis of that investigation, four Marines were charged with dereliction of duty.

The NCIS began its probe in March and it grew into the agency's largest criminal investigation in years.

One worry of military prosecutors is that American investigators failed to persuade the families of the any of the 24 dead to permit their bodies to be exhumed and examined to obtain forensic evidence.

The NCIS had hoped to gain access to the bodies so they could, for example, compare wounds on the bodies to the blood stain patterns at the scene and to other evidence and witness statements.

U.S. government officials went so far as to propose through the Iraqi government in Baghdad last year that a nongovernment humanitarian organization with medical credentials be permitted to exhume and examine the 24 bodies, but the families rejected that approach.

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Associated Press Writer Elliot Spagat in San Diego contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: defendourmarines; evidence; haditha; leak; lynching; marines; official
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To: NormsRevenge

Still, war crimes trials should be held for the principals at the New York Times who have encouraged the enemy in this battle.


21 posted on 01/06/2007 2:33:46 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: NormsRevenge

I think it's becoming more and more evident that these Marines just snapped and murdered civilians on a killing spree.

There is no shame in admitting this... it happens sometimes in war.

Unfortunately, we'll have FReepers continue to defend their actions simply because of what Murtha said.


22 posted on 01/06/2007 2:35:26 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: NormsRevenge

It hasn't changed much at all--we still have what we originally did--no forensic evidence and nothing but generally suspect Iraqi witnesses.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/06/haditha_is_mcgirk_the_new_mary.html


23 posted on 01/06/2007 2:36:24 PM PST by the Real fifi
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To: NormsRevenge
Related thread: Announcing the Haditha Marines Defense Fund.
24 posted on 01/06/2007 2:36:48 PM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Marines.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The explosion touched off a series of violent events as Marines came under enemy fire, then searched several nearby houses, looking for insurgents.

CNN interviewed a survivng young girl from one of those houses.

"I was planning to go to school. I was about to go out of bed. I knew the bomb would explode so I covered my ears," the youngster said, according to a CNN translator.

....Which means that everybody in that house, and likely everybody in the surrounding houses, knew what was going to happen but chose to wait and watch as a Marine was murdered.

Screw them all. If I was there I would have shot everything non-Marine that moved.

25 posted on 01/06/2007 2:38:46 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I remember you. You're the guy who said these Marines were scum and should rot in prison.

You're a disgrace to this forum.

26 posted on 01/06/2007 2:40:21 PM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Marines.)
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To: Lancey Howard
"I was planning to go to school. I was about to go out of bed. I knew the bomb would explode so I covered my ears," the youngster said, according to a CNN translator."
27 posted on 01/06/2007 2:40:35 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: NormsRevenge
I was of course referring to the fact that the "person" spoke without authorization, not this thread. ;*)

One worry of military prosecutors is that American investigators failed to persuade the families of the any of the 24 dead to permit their bodies to be exhumed and examined to obtain forensic evidence.

The NCIS had hoped to gain access to the bodies so they could, for example, compare wounds on the bodies to the blood stain patterns at the scene and to other evidence and witness statements.

U.S. government officials went so far as to propose through the Iraqi government in Baghdad last year that a nongovernment humanitarian organization with medical credentials be permitted to exhume and examine the 24 bodies, but the families rejected that approach.

Don't have a case without this evidence.

28 posted on 01/06/2007 2:40:40 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Beat it, you coward.


29 posted on 01/06/2007 2:41:32 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Just A Nobody
Don't have a case without this evidence.

I agree. No way should this persec, er, prosecution continue.

30 posted on 01/06/2007 2:43:00 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Go away Lunatic Fringe. If you want to bash Marines, start your own thread.


31 posted on 01/06/2007 2:43:17 PM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo
Yes! And it's happened dozens of times in this case.

Therefore, this so-called case need to be dismissed!

You're welcome, but I see we all arrived about the same time pinging each other!

32 posted on 01/06/2007 2:43:30 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: NormsRevenge
It sounds like someone is trying to Nifong the case!
33 posted on 01/06/2007 2:43:54 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: Clara Lou

I hope this means those charged can seek dismissal of the case due to prosecutorial misconduct.


35 posted on 01/06/2007 2:44:47 PM PST by pierrem15 (Charles Martel: past and future of France)
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To: Seruzawa

I dont know your past or current service affiliations, of course, but as a former Marine infantryman, myself, I can not fully express the disgust that your comment causes to rise up in my heart without violating the terms of decency required here.

Marine grunts have been trained for this sort of work for the last 20 odd years. This is nothing new. Marines are not the limited and inflexible savages that so many want to believe them to be.

The only problem in this entire affair is the feckless, spineless, brainless, weak, stupid, degenerate and intellectually inbred bull**** that causes so many to suck up and regurgitate whatever idiocy is crapped onto the plate in front of them by an MSM that they know never gets it right or even has any interest in anything other than pushing their destructive agenda.

Mouth breeders and snot gobblers.


36 posted on 01/06/2007 2:45:27 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I saw Lunatic Fringe shoot a child at point blank range.

See how easy it is?

Enjoy your stay in prison!

37 posted on 01/06/2007 2:46:22 PM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Marines.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
it's becoming more and more evident

R.E.A.L.L.Y ? Based on what? Johnny al-Murthawi? The NYSlimes? Or perhaps the WaComPost? Exactly what do you base your "becoming more and more evident" on?

38 posted on 01/06/2007 2:46:56 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Ever have a roadside bomb go off and damn near kill you and kill some of your buddies?

I would agree that in times of combat and/or attack, the human trait that begs for revenge and retribution can be a very overpowering thing.

I personally do not condone the Murtha action in speaking as he did either, there are channels thing like this go thru, his self-imposed oversight and "revelatioons' served no one well, neither the dead or the living, so I wouldn't let him off the hook that easily. jmo


39 posted on 01/06/2007 2:47:08 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......)
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To: RedRover

Yeah... the problem with your argument is that there are real dead children in this case.


40 posted on 01/06/2007 2:48:06 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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