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A Winnable War. The argument against the orthodox history of Vietnam. [Book review]
Weekly Standard ^ | January 15, 2007 | by Mackubin Thomas Owens

Posted on 01/06/2007 8:21:30 AM PST by aculeus

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To: Cicero

As a veteran of the Vietnam War from August of 1969 to January of 1971, serving as an infantry squad leader in a mechanized infantry company, and with another unit as a tank commander on an M48A3 tank; I am keenly interested in the distortions, lies, and half truths perpetuated about the Vietnam war by many of those who helped to undermine the US effort there. Much of the conventional understanding of the US involvement in the South East Asian conflict indicates a general disapproval of the United States war effort, and an acceptance of the oft regurgitated leftist conventional wisdom as to it's historical course and outcome. That is painting the American war effort in Vietnam as misguided at best and an imperialistic effort to establish SE Asian capitalistic hegemony at worst. The antiwar left is portrayed as being noble and idealistic rather than populated by a hard core that actively hoped and worked for a US defeat, the US government as destructive of basic civil liberties in its attempt to monitor their activities, and the North Vietnamese and Vietcong as nationalists who wished to preserve their unique culture against an imperialistic onslaught. The South Vietnamese government's struggle to survive a ruthless Communist assault while engaging in an unwarranted assault on human rights .while ignoring the numerous genocidal atrocities of the Vietcong (VC) and North Vietnamese Army (NVA) is also part of this narrative. The deceptive reporting of the Tet Offensive, the Communist's worse defeat among numberless hundreds of others was probably the most grievous deceit perpetuated by the Press .

The reason that the United States opposed nationwide elections that were to be held in accordance with the 1954 Geneva accords was due to the murder and intimidation campaigns carried out by Ho Chi Minh. This fact is in Professor R. J. Runnel's book Death by Government, in which he cites a low estimate of 15,000 and a high figure of 500,000 people in the “murder by quota” campaign directed by the North Vietnamese Communist Party Politburo that would have made the election a corrupt mockery. This campaign stipulated that 5% of the people living in each village and hamlet had to be liquidated, preferably those identified as members of the "ruling class." All told says Runnel, between 1953 and 1956 it is likely that the Communists killed 195,000 to 865,000 North Vietnamese. These were non combatant men, women, and children, and hardly represent evidence of the moral high ground claimed by many in the antiwar movement. In 1956, high Communist official Nguyen Manh Tuong admitted that "while destroying the landowning class, we condemned numberless old people and children to a horrible death." The same genocidal pattern became the Communists’ standard operating procedure in the South too. This was unequivocally demonstrated by the Hue Massacre, which the press did a great deal to downplay in its reporting of the Tet Offensive of 1968.

The National Liberation Front was the creation of the North Vietnamese Third Party Congress of September 1960, completely directed from North Vietnam. The Tet Offensive of 1968 was a disastrous military defeat for the North Vietnamese and that the VC were almost wiped out by the fighting, and that it took the NVA until 1971 to reestablish a presence using North Vietnamese troops as local guerrillas. The North Vietnam military senior commanders repeatedly said that they counted on the U.S. antiwar movement to give them the confidence to persevere in the face of their staggering battlefield personnel losses and defeats. The antiwar movement prevented the feckless President Lyndon Johnson from granting General Westmoreland's request to enter Laos and cut the Ho Chi Minh Trail or end his policies of publicly announced gradualist escalation. The North Vietnamese knew cutting this trail would severely damage their ability to prosecute the war. Since the North Vietnamese could continue to use the Ho Chi Minh Trail lifeline, the war was needlessly prolonged for the U.S. and contributed significantly to the collapse of South Vietnam. The casualties sustained by the NVA and VC were horrendous, (1.5 million dead) and accorded well with Gen. Ngyuen Giap’s publicly professed disdain for the lives of individuals sacrificed for the greater cause of Communist victory. They were as thoroughly beaten as a military force can be given the absence of an invasion and occupation of their nation. The Soviets and Chinese recognized this, and they put pressure on their North Vietnamese allies to accept this reality and settle up at the Paris peace talks. Hanoi's party newspaper Nhan Dan angrily denounced the Chinese and Soviets for "throwing a life bouy to a drowning pirate" and for being "mired on the dark and muddy road of unprincipled compromise." The North Viets intransigent attitude toward negotiation was reversed after their air defenses were badly shattered in the wake of the devastating B-52 Linebacker II assault on North Vietnam, after which they were totally defenseless against American air attack.

To this day the anti-war movement as a whole refuses to acknowledge its part in the deaths of millions in Laos and Cambodia and in the subsequent exodus from South East Asia as people fled Communism, nor the imprisonment of thousands in Communist re-education camps and gulags.

South Vietnam was NOT defeated by a local popular insurgency. The final victorious North Vietnamese offensive was a multidivisional, combined arms effort lavishly equipped with Soviet and Chinese supplied tanks, self-propelled artillery, and aircraft. It was the type of blitzkrieg that Panzer General Heinz Guederian would have easily recognized. I didn't recall seeing any barefoot, pajama-clad guerrillas jumping out of those tanks in the newsreel footage that showed them crashing through the gates of the presidential palace in Saigon. This spectacle was prompted by the pusillanimous withdrawal of Congressional support for the South Vietnamese government in the wake of the Watergate scandal, which particularly undermined this aspect of President Nixon’s foreign policy. It should be noted that a similar Communist offensive in the spring of 1972 was smashed, largely by US air power; with relatively few US ground troops in place. At the Paris Accords in 1973, the Soviet Union had agreed to reduce aid in offensive arms to North Vietnam in exchange for trade concessions from the US, effectively ending North Vietnams hopes for a military victory in the south. With the return of cold war hostilities in the wake of the Yom Kippur war after Congress revoked the Soviet's MFN trading status, the Reds poured money and offensive military equipment into North Vietnam. South Vietnam would still be a viable nation today were it not for this nation's refusal to live up to it's treaty obligations to the South Vietnamese, most important to reintervene should they invade South Vietnam.

There is one primary similarity to Vietnam. A seditious near traitorous core of anti-war protesters is trying to undermine U.S. efforts there with half-truths, lies, and distortions. In that respect, the war in Iraq and the war in Vietnam are very similar. A significant difference is that thus far the current anti-war movement has not succeeded in manifesting contempt for the American military on the part of the general U.S. public as it did in the Vietnam era.



When I was in Vietnam, I recall many discussions with my fellow soldiers about the course of the war in Vietnam and their feelings about it. Many, if not most felt that "We Gotta Get Outta this Place," to cite a popular song of the time by Eric Burden and the Animals, but for the most part they felt we should do it by fighting the war in a manner calculated to win it. I do not recall anyone ever saying that they felt the North Vietnamese could possibly defeat us on the battlefield, but to a man they were mystified by the U.S. Government’s refusal to fight in a manner that would assure military victory. Even though there was much resentment for the antiwar movement, and some (resentment) toward career professional soldiers, I never saw anyone who did not do his basic duty and many did FAR MORE THAN THAT as a soldier. Nineteen of my friends have their names on the Vietnam War Memorial Wall in Washington DC. They deserve to have the full truth told about the effort for which they gave their young lives. The U.S. public is not well served by half-truths and lies by omission about such a significant period in our history, particularly with their relevance toward our present fight in Iraq and Afghanistan.


21 posted on 01/06/2007 8:12:49 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: DMZFrank

Peter Braestrup, who quit his job at the NY Times to write a book on the Tet Offensive, pointed out fairly early that we won that battle, contrary to what the news reporters said at the time.

As it happens, I went to school with Peter when I was growing up, although later on I lost track of him. He was one of the few decent war reporters in Vietnam, and he loved what he was doing. He earlier reported for the Times on the Algerian War, and I'm sure he'd have liked to continue his career, but he evidently found that he just couldn't toe the Communist party line any longer.


22 posted on 01/06/2007 8:23:30 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Interesting Times

Glad to hear a sequel's in the works! Was it at that Vietnam conference that was held recently that you met him? I'm especially interested in what he mentions about Mendenhall's link to Harriman and Hilsman, as I've been researching the Harriman and Hilsman clique's influence on JFK and LBJ's Vietnam policy and how some of their proteges later influenced Carter's Iran policy. I'll be very interested to see what else Moyar discovers.


23 posted on 01/07/2007 9:19:47 AM PST by Fedora
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To: aculeus

bump


24 posted on 01/07/2007 1:11:39 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: Fedora

No, I met him at the official book launch for "Triumph Forsaken."


25 posted on 01/07/2007 8:34:57 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: aculeus

Bump for later read


26 posted on 01/07/2007 8:55:00 PM PST by Bender2 (I am off politics until Nancy moves to Tehran... There to be taken straight to the ever after!)
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; Cindy; Alamo-Girl

bttt


27 posted on 01/11/2007 6:33:26 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 01/11/2007 9:41:38 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: aculeus; ALOHA RONNIE
I remember reading "A Bright Shining Lie" and seeing Stanley Karnow's "Vietnam", and thinking, "there is more to it than what these men have said". I'll have to read "Triumph Forsaken" to get the other side of the story.

I seem to remember reading in "We Were Soldiers Once, and Young", about the men riding in to the I Drang valley in the helicopters during the battle. They saw what they believed were Chinese soldiers on the ground with the North Vietnamese, helping direct the fighting. They thought they were Chinese, because they were noticeablely larger than the North Vietnamese, and they later found out that radio operators on the ground reported hearing chatter in Mandarin Chinese from the Vietnamese side.

Am I remembering that correctly from the book, Aloha Ronnie?

29 posted on 01/11/2007 10:48:27 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: All; SuziQ

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You are 100% Correct, SuziQ.

Thank you for remembering so vividly what was the defining moment of my life in a Valley of Death known as then Free South Vietnam's IA DRANG Valley of November 1965.

T'was my 1st 9/11 Lesson, seeing first hand that there really is such a thing as Hate in this world and that there really are people out there who do Hate us for being Free.

One us came back to save 1,000's of lives on 9/11, giving up all that he had in the process:

(The Website)
http://www.RickRescorla.com

(The Pictures)
http://www.RickRescorla.com/The%20Statue.htm

(The Heroism)
http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361


NEVER ever FORGET

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30 posted on 01/12/2007 5:41:36 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
"We Were Soldiers" was an outstanding book, and gave a crystal clear picture of what you and those men went through over the course of that battle. The movie was good, but I don't think it did justice to the full experience.

I was sad to learn on 9/11 that Rick Rescorla had died at the WTC, but it didn't surprise me in the least that he saved so many people that day.

31 posted on 01/12/2007 8:42:48 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Fedora
I've been researching the Harriman and Hilsman clique's influence on JFK and LBJ's Vietnam policy and how some of their proteges later influenced Carter's Iran policy.

Sounds interesting...have you come to any conclusions on their influence on that Iran policy?

32 posted on 11/18/2016 1:14:26 AM PST by piasa
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To: piasa

Pinging myself to review my notes in order to answer your question—will come back to this.


33 posted on 11/28/2016 12:59:00 AM PST by Fedora
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