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Atheists Challenge the Religious Right
Yahoo ^ | 1/4/2007 | Jane Lampman

Posted on 01/05/2007 9:42:21 AM PST by Rutles4Ever

For some time, the religious right has decried "secular humanism," a philosophy that rejects the supernatural or spiritual as a basis for moral decisionmaking. But now, nonbelievers are vigorously fighting back.

Only a small percentage of Americans admit to being nontheists (between 2 and 9 percent, depending on the poll), but that equates to many millions. And religionists' role in debates over stem-cell research and evolution vs. intelligent design - as well as radical religion in world conflicts - have galvanized some atheists to mount a counteroffensive.

In bestselling books, on websites, and with a national lobbying effort, atheists and other nontheists are challenging the growing religious influence in government and public life. Some are attacking the foundations of religion itself.

Two particularly provocative books, in fact, hit the top of Publishers Weekly's religion bestseller list in December. No. 1, "The God Delusion," by evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, and No. 2, "Letter to a Christian Nation," by writer Sam Harris, are no-holds-barred, antireligion polemics that call for the eradication of all manifestations of faith.

"I am attacking God, all gods, anything and everything supernatural, wherever and whenever they have been or will be invented," declares Dr. Dawkins, the famed Oxford professor who wrote "The Selfish Gene."

These offerings are so intolerant of religion of any kind - liberal, moderate, or fundamentalist - that some scientists and secularists have critiqued their peers for oversimplification and for a secular fundamentalism.

"They undermine their own case by writing in a language that suffers from many things they say are true of believers - intolerance, disrespect, extremism," says Alan Wolfe, a professor of religion at Boston College, who is a secularist and author of several books on American religious perspectives.

Yet the authors are anything but modest about their efforts to supplant faith with pure scientific rationality. While critics point out that religion is a genuine reflection of people's experience and will always exist, Mr. Harris suggests it could be equated with slavery, which once was widely acceptable, but eventually was looked upon with horror. He sees it as responsible for many of life's tragedies.

Harris first hit the bestseller bull's-eye in 2004 with "The End of Faith," and he says the responses to that book, particularly those from Christians, spurred his latest epistle.

A mere 96 pages, "Letter" may be dismissed by many for its condescending tone or overheated rhetoric. Yet its bold arguments offer a useful window into nontheist perspectives and could also startle some complacent religionists into a rethinking and refining of perceptions.

Many nontheists don't share this militant perspective, but have decided that keeping silent in religious America no longer makes sense. They are astonished that a majority of Americans question evolution and support teaching intelligent design in the science classroom. They are distressed over polls that show that at least half of Americans are unwilling to vote for an atheist despite the Constitution's requirement that there be no religious test for public office. And they contend that in recent years, Congress has passed bills and the president has issued executive orders that have privileged religion in inappropriate and unconstitutional ways.

As a result, seven organizations of nontheists - including atheists, freethinkers, humanists, and agnostics - began the Secular Coalition for America (SCA), a lobby seeking to increase the visibility and respectability of nontheistic viewpoints in the United States.

"In some parts of the country, children are ostracized if someone finds out their families are atheists," says Lori Lipman Brown, SCA director. "We need to educate the public that people who don't have a god belief can be good neighbors and friends and moral and ethical people."

They also intend to stand up vigorously for their rights. "Some people want to go back to a time when religion was imposed, such as official prayer in public schools," she adds. "For someone to say they can't practice their religion appropriately if all schoolchildren are not required to recite a public prayer is very disturbing."

The SCA intends to lobby the new Congress to override a presidential veto on stem-cell research and to repeal land-use legislation and other laws seen as "privileging one religion over other religions or over those who don't follow religion."

Still, the group makes clear on its website that while it promotes reason and science as the bases for policymaking, it also supports religious tolerance.

"I have absolutely no problem with anyone believing differently than I believe, as long as they don't impose their religion on me or my government," says Ms. Brown, a former Nevada state senator.

To spotlight the prejudice against atheists holding public office - and to encourage atheists to "come out of the closet," SCA is sponsoring a contest to identify the highest US official who acknowledges being a nonbeliever. They expect to announce contest results in February.

Internet-based groups are also seeking to spread the atheist message, particularly among young adults. The Rational Response Squad (RRS) has chosen a provocative mode using the popular website YouTube. Their "blasphemy challenge" calls on young nonbelievers to create videos in which they renounce belief in the "sky God of Christianity" and upload it on the site; in return they'll receive a free documentary DVD, "The God Who Wasn't There," which includes interviews with Dawkins, Harris, and others. RRS is publicizing its campaign on 25 popular teen websites.

"We wanted to strike up more of a conversation about religion, and this was a way for people to show their nonbelief and encourage others to come out," says Brian Sapient, RRS cofounder.

Mr. Sapient says he was raised Catholic and then a born-again Christian, but later learned that many things he was taught were fictional. RRS now has some 20,000 people on message boards, with about 5,000 actively engaged in debunking religious claims, passing out fliers, and placing DVDs in churches.

As for the blasphemy challenge, "there's about 490 response videos so far, and 85,000 views on our trailer video," he says. Sapient acknowledges this approach may not persuade religious youths. "There are people with a more palatable approach to talking about religion," he says, "but I wonder if those people would be as effective if it weren't for us or Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins shaking up the group a bit."

He also insists that you don't really respect people unless you speak up when you think their beliefs are wrong. It's OK with him, he adds, if religious people try to convince him they are right.

Harris and Dawkins make it clear that they think faith has gotten off too easy for too long. Their books have spurred widespread commentary, much of it a strong critique of their arguments and lack of religious knowledge. But in a culture immersed in combativeness in politics and the media, the intemperate books are selling well.

Yet one critic, New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, calls for a truce: "We've suffered enough from religious intolerance that the last thing the world needs is irreligious intolerance."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ac; atheism; atheists; catholic; christianity; god; persecution; secularhumanism
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It's interesting how quickly things can deteriorate in a society that largely ignores God. There are legions of wishy-washy Catholics/Protestants in-name-only ripe to be dragged into the hell of atheism. The bad news is that we ain't seen nothin' yet when it comes to persecution. But the wheels are certainly in motion.
1 posted on 01/05/2007 9:42:24 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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2 posted on 01/05/2007 9:43:54 AM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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I would have posted this thread in "Religion", but it seems to me a phenomenon that has ramifications beyond "religion" per se, especially if they're going after politicians, too.


3 posted on 01/05/2007 9:45:16 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: presidio9; Admin Moderator

Wow. I did a search and I was surprised it didn't come up. Please delete.


4 posted on 01/05/2007 9:45:56 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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"We need to educate the public that people who don't have a god belief can be good neighbors and friends and moral and ethical people."

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I see the problem now. We need more education.

5 posted on 01/05/2007 9:46:20 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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"I have absolutely no problem with anyone believing differently than I believe, as long as they don't impose their religion on me or my government," says Ms. Brown, a former Nevada state senator.

Ms. Brown, with all due respect, it is my government as well.

6 posted on 01/05/2007 9:48:31 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: Rutles4Ever

2 Kings 6:15-16:

And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do?

And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.


7 posted on 01/05/2007 9:50:30 AM PST by MikeA (Nancy Pelosi: The Speaker of the News Media)
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The founders of the Constitution would be doing jackknives in their graves if they read such astonishing doggerel.

Nearly half of the founders either went to seminary or had affiliated degrees.

God had MUCH to do with the founding of our country.

The less God is involved in every day life in America, the crazier it will get. And that won't be a pretty situation.


8 posted on 01/05/2007 9:50:39 AM PST by RexBeach (In war there is no substitute for victory. - Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Atheists Challenge the Religious Right

Dog bites Man.

9 posted on 01/05/2007 9:52:18 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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The less God is involved in every day life in America, the crazier it will get.

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It's already well on the way. Who could have guessed back in the day that we would come to this? We would have laughed at the thought.

10 posted on 01/05/2007 9:53:09 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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I see the problem now. We need more education.

More or their flavor of education!

All education is inherently religious, it requires presuppositional belief about the nature of truth, metaphysics and ethics. Atheism has all the marks of religion - the only reason humanists would not admit their religion is to use an ACLU twisted version of the first amendment to exclude other religions from the state funded indoctrination of children. The regulating of homeschools is to further their religious monopoly over all children.

Like Muslims they must eliminate the infidels.

11 posted on 01/05/2007 9:54:29 AM PST by DaveyB (Ignorance is part of the human condition - atheism makes it permanent!)
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Everyone on Earth will eventually have to chose between G-d or the World--G-d will not allow any lukewarm people to stay that way.


12 posted on 01/05/2007 9:54:31 AM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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Big deal.  Extreme atheists and extreme religionists are - usually - equally stupid and annoying.
13 posted on 01/05/2007 9:57:29 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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I think we need better education, not necessarily more.


14 posted on 01/05/2007 9:58:11 AM PST by wastedyears ("By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail." - Benjamin Franklin)
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Agreed. The public school system is irretrievably broken.
15 posted on 01/05/2007 10:00:10 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Amazing how the media loves any book/author who bashes religion. Normon Geisler wrote a book recently titled, "I don't have enough faith to be an athiest" which destroys all of Dawkins arguments and makes his book look like the work of a 6th grader. Any chance the media will pick up on that? - don't hold your breath.


16 posted on 01/05/2007 10:04:07 AM PST by joebuck
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To: Rutles4Ever

Atheists have been challenging Christians in this country for some time (and in Europe much longer, where they seem to currently have the upper hand). This is hardly something that is new, although they could be getting more frenetic as Creationism becomes more popular.


17 posted on 01/05/2007 10:04:20 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( WND, NewsMax, Townhall.com, and Drudge Report are not valid news sources.)
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I guarantee that's not his birth surname.
18 posted on 01/05/2007 10:11:50 AM PST by wideawake
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"We need to educate the public that people who don't have a god belief can be good neighbors and friends and moral and ethical people."

Who gets to define what is good, moral, charitable, evil, etc.? You? Me? MTV? A Saddam? A Stalin?

To ancient Aztecs - cutting out the still beating heart of a human sacrifices (including children) was the highest order of good.
To a large percent of Muslims - killing, raping and enslaving infidels is the highest order of good in Islam.
To Hindus - Attacking, ignoring, prejudicing against and letting die for people in lower order castes is perfectly alright.
To certain Pacific Tribes - eating your enemy was the highest form of good.

And I could go on for pages...

The works mentioned in this story are good works from a Christian viewpoint:

Matthew 22:37-40 -- Jesus replied: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

And Jesus also said "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." (Luke 6:31; Luke 10:27 (affirming of Moses) and Matthew 7:12)

But by no means has this "philosophy" been accepted the world over as "good or moral." Not by a long shot.

What makes murder inherently wrong (to Christians) is not that it feels wrong, but that a transcendent Creator to whom we are answerable commands: "Thou shalt not murder." What makes kindness to others inherently right (to Christians) is not that human reason says so, but that God does: "Love thy neighbor as thyself; I am the Lord."

What is "good or evil" without God? Without any footing for moral actions - anything can be rationalized as good or evil. You can just make it up as you go along. Good actions can be whatever society thinks it is with the popular culture at the time. If that be in Nazi Germany or Pol Pot's Cambodia or North Korea - that means doing "good" is slaughtering millions of people and sending millions more into misery. But, by their own human standards at the time in history, they were all doing good.

We grew up and live in a country founded in Judeo-Christian values, so it may seem obvious to us what is "good." But that is due to the Judeo-Christian influences on you (even if you don't believe in God). To others without that kind of influence, doing "good" can be radically different.

For instance, we are also a country that for all intents and purposes, allows abortion, for any reason, at any time, including up to 1 sec before birth (partial birth abortions). I can send you transcripts of debates in the house and senate on this. I have no doubt that 200 years from now, future Americans will wonder how we could have let such evil go on and did nothing to stop it for so long (a lot like we look back on slavery).

But all the "cool" people are pro-choice - so it is good.

Regards,

2banana

19 posted on 01/05/2007 10:14:05 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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The religious right, Catholic, Christian, sky God of Christianity, etc. JANE LAMPMAN/YAHOO crams this article full of information, quotes, and viewpoint.

NOT ONE SINGLE WORD ABOUT ISLAM.


20 posted on 01/05/2007 10:25:29 AM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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