Posted on 01/05/2007 9:01:39 AM PST by Brian_Baldwin
The “line in the sand” difference between Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani in regards to issues, both admired as two top contenders for the Republican nomination for President in 2008, is in regard to the issue of illegal aliens. It doesn’t matter what the old media says will be the “issue” of 2008 – yes, there will be many issues during that campaign, but I will absolutely guarantee you that at the top of the mind for the base of the Republican Party will be this issue as is with myself and countless others. We have grave concerns about this issue, and we realize that once certain measures are made (under the pretext of “reform”), in particular amnesty which we are against, that the results and the impact of such a mistake will be irreversible. The damage will be irreversible, and will not be something that we will be able to “change our minds” about later – the long term damage to our country will be permanent and is as vital an issue to this nation as is the war on terrorism.
I will absolutely guarantee that I am not alone on this opinion among the base of Republicans, and I don’t care what the old media claims, I know for a fact that this issue was a factor in the 2006 results, negative to Republicans due to President Bush’s wrong stand in every regard on this issue.
This one issue alone, with Mitt Romney on the correct side of the argument, can win the primary elections for him in 2008. Bank on it.
Mitt Romney is against amnesty for illegal aliens. He wants to actually secure the borders, which is a security issue as well, and he seems to be on the right side of this issue.
Giuliani is not.
I admire Rudy very much, but this is a defining issue. I also admire Mitt a lot, and his stand on this issue only confirms to me that he is a preferred candidate for the Presidency.
Do not be fooled. The gay agenda, abortion, and other “social issues”, are in no way as important as this issue of illegal aliens in the minds of the base – and it is important in the minds of all Americans and poll after poll demonstrates that the American people do NOT want amnesty, and they DO want the borders controlled, and they want to STOP this illegal invasion from Mexico. It doesn’t matter if they are Republican or Democrat, the majority of Americans in their opinion on this matter are like minded regarding this issue. And yet, neither party will listen to the American people – the Republican leadership in Bush has shown a tin-ear to the American people, Senate Republican leaders, and of course the Democrats as well simply do not LISTEN to the American people in this regard, and it is insulting.
Americans are insulted when they are not listened to.
The party which brings forth candidates who campaign on the theme that they will LISTEN to the American people, that is the winning candidates in 2008. Such candidates will need to demonstrate that they are LISTENING to the American people on this issue, a “line in the sand” issue that can, and will be, the “line in the sand” in 2008.
Politicians can “change their mind” – I suspect that some of them will do so into the 2008 campaign. Being on the “right side” of this issue will make the difference in 2008, and Mitt Romney, as long as he remains on the right side in this regard, has my support.
Both are libs and rino's, one's just more honest about it at the moment.
The people have told Congress that they oppose amnesty but , neither side is listening. Republicans see cheap labor, dems see new voters.
Amnesty, I believe, will be a done deal by the next election so it will have little impact on what happens.
Giuliani is not.
Now we're talking top 5 issues with me currently. Romney wins, Giuliani loses.
Romney still in the front for my vote. Not saying I won't change my mind later either by Romney doing something or another player stepping up to the plate but so far I can pretty much say Romney has my vote.
What evidence is there that a tough on immigration stance was a winner in '06?
And I will never vote for a pol the state of MA has elected to a state-wide office. That goes for my state of NY, too.
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None whatsoever. Apparently people don't realize that it was the "holier than thou" attitude Republicans had all the while being hypocrites that turned people off. If you are going to talk the talk you better walk the walk and the Republicans did not do it. It wasn't one single issue.
"Amnesty" is whatever the immigration hawks don't like. "Amnesty" is anything short of rounding everyone up and shipping them back to Mexico.
This is NOT TRUE about Rudy - I understand you prefer Mitt and he is your choice but that is untrue about Rudy.
Secure the borders,” said Rudy Giuliani when asked about the nation’s illegal immigration problems in Wilkes-Barre Sunday night. While calling for strong measures to secure the borders, the highly acclaimed former mayor of New York City said it is also important that a solution be reached that would prevent illegals presently in the country from going underground and becoming a serious threat to the welfare of the United States. He does not oppose people entering the country legally.
The Tax Line In The Sand (Romney signs No Tax Pledge)
Folks trust a RINO at their peril.
There are a large number of people on FR who simply misrepresent Rudy's positions, and project upon him positions he hasn't taken. There should be a vigorous debate about the candidates, but when one group of folks continue to make things up about one or another potential candidate, they're credibility in this debate suffers severely.
You know I am getting so tired of that link. "The Romney Deception" is just that...a deception...picking and choosing hot button issues but ignoring things like Romney's stance on borders, immigration, WOT. Most of the stuff in "The Romney Deception" is spun so it looks like Romney is decieving. That's all it is...spin.
Here's an interview with Rudy by BOR in which Rudy discusses his position on immigration and the border...
Here's part of what Rudy says...
But you've got to seal the border. And you've got to do it with personnel. And you've got to do it with technology. You've got to have both.
The link is well sourced. Folks can go and read the links for themselves and decide what they think.
Exactly right. Why don't they just wait until they all start campaigning and they are asked specific questions about issues before they jump on them. Even though I'm NOT a Romney fan and think he reminds me of a "slick Used Car salesman" I am willing to listen to what he has to say once he starts campaigning - I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on every single issue because I really don't know where he stands yet. He may turn out to be a great candidate. I am not assuming he is against anything or for anything until he says so on the campaign trail. But for some reason in 2008 we just can't do that - we have to bash every single candidate before they even start. This is pretty scary.
Thanks for the link. I'm keeping that for future reference.
Both are from the northeast. I think we need someone from a border state who understands the problem. I'd love to see support for Tommy Franks. My ideal ticket would be Franks/Giuliani.
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