Posted on 01/04/2007 9:31:34 AM PST by hocndoc
Ahh, circular reasoning at its best. God was not created - He describes Himself as "I AM" - therefore, probabilities about His complexity are meaningless.
Dawkins simply can't imagine a God that big.
Well put.
The trouble is that Dawkins is frozen at the 13 year old anarchist/nihilist stage of philosophical development, and he has quite a following of stunted fellows.
Actually, Dawkins is in a loop in this argument - he's attempting to turn Creationists' arguments back on themselves.
He, as many of the anti-Creation argue-ers do, doesn't see that he has the same problem at the point of the Big Bang. ( would you call it BB Prime, Alpha or Number 1?)
LOL! Well put.
I wonder how he defines the term "evil" scientifically or empirically. I won't hold my breath, since it's impossible.
Logically, philosophy defines science. Logically, science cannot define philosophy.
Many scientists are ignorant of philosophy. Wise scientists know their limitations, and don't advertise them.
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It certainly seems he doesn't want a god any bigger than himself. It seems to me the entire point of his evangelical atheism is to reduce the entire world to the measure of man -- in fact, to the measure of a man: himself.
In the brave new utopia he seems to want to usher in, Man is the Measure. That means the ancient insight that "God is the Measure" must be erased from human memory. Dawkins would have us all lobotomized that we may never recall anything of our shared human past. Wipe out philosophy; erase history; sneer at the historical evolution of human culture; p*ss on our ancestors; and hold all future generations in contempt. "We" -- meaning Dawkins and his ilk -- are ever so much smarter, and more "virtuous," than any generation that came before, or shall ever come in the future.
Whatta jerk.
The ancients had a name for a man like Dawkins: the Jews would have called him "nabal" (which means "fool"; but not "fool" as in "funny ha-ha." But "fool" in the sense of rejecting the God-ordained great hierarchy of being consisting of God - Man - World - Society. Heraclitus would have called him "idiotes," meaning a "private man" so disordered in his reason that he could not be trusted with public speech, let alone public business.
Plato would have said he was suffering from a pneumopathological disease the classical Greeks called nosos. [Aristotle called it nosemos.] Cicero would have said that he suffered from a pneumopathological disorder he called aspernatio rationes, or "contempt for reason."
I can't help but be amused that Dawkins invests so much time and energy "proving" the non-existence of God. Why is it the "God is Dead" crowd seem so nervous, so anxious, when they assert the body is safely in its coffin, dead and buried? Most undertakers I know simply take it for granted that the body lying in the coffin is, in fact, quite effectively "dead": It's not like you have to keep on checking!
Well, you could call it the Logos of the beginning....
How many Big Bang theories are there by now, or do all these names refer to the same event?
Thanks for the ping, Hocndoc!
One of my favorites.
Logic and philosophy, like scientific evidence, are reliably and repeatedly discovered by different observers in different labs, under different conditions, and reported with the same or very similar conclusions. Sanity involves those conclusions that others share at least the more basic points of reality. (Romans 1)
A rehash of Enlightenment views of religion, but, as the reviewer points out, in Victorian language and with arguments better made by Lord Russell. Russell was at least a competent philosopher if also personally a cad.
Do you doubt your hypothesis by your use of a "?" mark?
Dawkins states with "near" absolute authority that God does not exist in the universe. Theologians go one step further and make the absolute claim God does not exist in the universe.
Theologians claim that God exists outside the universe and is unknowable by any test of the universe's properties.
Dawkin's argument cannot stand because there is no scientific protocol by which he is able to dismiss God.
Have they discovered how much logic weighs? What color is it?
IOW, this is a category error, like saying that angels have been observed under laboratory conditions.
Logic is a purely non-material or spiritual phenomena or activity. It cannot be described scientifically or empirically.
Scientists employ logic, but science does not contain logic.
The boy protests too much... The same problem drove Nietzsche to the funny farm.. and disassembled the grits of many other so-called deep thinkers..
Dawkins is a preacher preaching to a choir of the lost..
Singing a song of lost love..
The sheep MUST be separated from the goats, according to Jesus..
Dawkins has put out the call to all goats(The God Delusion)..
Thats according to Gods plan I would say..
Silly old goat..
Depends on your epistomology. What do you mean by "unknowable." Dawkins et al. have little to say about where the "idea" of God came from. - RobbyS
The only epistomological argument that can be used to prove the existence of God from studying the properties of the universe is based on the notion that God IS the universe, pantheism.
God speaking into creation is the source of the "idea" of God. He is His own source.
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