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To: Terabitten; hocndoc; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; marron; .30Carbine; cornelis; beckett; Cicero
Ahh, circular reasoning at its best. God was not created - He describes Himself as "I AM" - therefore, probabilities about His complexity are meaningless. Dawkins simply can't imagine a God that big.

It certainly seems he doesn't want a god any bigger than himself. It seems to me the entire point of his evangelical atheism is to reduce the entire world to the measure of man -- in fact, to the measure of a man: himself.

In the brave new utopia he seems to want to usher in, Man is the Measure. That means the ancient insight that "God is the Measure" must be erased from human memory. Dawkins would have us all lobotomized that we may never recall anything of our shared human past. Wipe out philosophy; erase history; sneer at the historical evolution of human culture; p*ss on our ancestors; and hold all future generations in contempt. "We" -- meaning Dawkins and his ilk -- are ever so much smarter, and more "virtuous," than any generation that came before, or shall ever come in the future.

Whatta jerk.

The ancients had a name for a man like Dawkins: the Jews would have called him "nabal" (which means "fool"; but not "fool" as in "funny ha-ha." But "fool" in the sense of rejecting the God-ordained great hierarchy of being consisting of God - Man - World - Society. Heraclitus would have called him "idiotes," meaning a "private man" so disordered in his reason that he could not be trusted with public speech, let alone public business.

Plato would have said he was suffering from a pneumopathological disease the classical Greeks called nosos. [Aristotle called it nosemos.] Cicero would have said that he suffered from a pneumopathological disorder he called aspernatio rationes, or "contempt for reason."

I can't help but be amused that Dawkins invests so much time and energy "proving" the non-existence of God. Why is it the "God is Dead" crowd seem so nervous, so anxious, when they assert the body is safely in its coffin, dead and buried? Most undertakers I know simply take it for granted that the body lying in the coffin is, in fact, quite effectively "dead": It's not like you have to keep on checking!

49 posted on 01/04/2007 11:34:56 AM PST by betty boop (Beautiful are the things we see...Much the most beautiful those we do not comprehend. -- N. Steensen)
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To: betty boop
Dawkins actually alludes to measuring a universe without God in an interview that I blogged about last fall. (on NPR)
51 posted on 01/04/2007 11:39:52 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl
[ I can't help but be amused that Dawkins invests so much time and energy "proving" the non-existence of God. ]

The boy protests too much... The same problem drove Nietzsche to the funny farm.. and disassembled the grits of many other so-called deep thinkers..

Dawkins is a preacher preaching to a choir of the lost..
Singing a song of lost love..

The sheep MUST be separated from the goats, according to Jesus..
Dawkins has put out the call to all goats(The God Delusion)..
Thats according to Gods plan I would say..
Silly old goat..

58 posted on 01/04/2007 12:01:48 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: betty boop
Betty, I remember my very first post to you, several years ago. Dawkins was the subject then too! And I posted an article by Marion Montgomery, which you found persuasive. Here's the kernel of it, as relevant to this thread as it was to that one:
Thus a Nobel Prize–winner in genetics, Richard Dawkins, tells us what he doesn’t know. We are as persons, he says, only "lumbering robots" whose genes have "created us body and mind." There lies hidden in this direct quote, however, a royal we: Dawkins does not assume himself thus described. Rather he stands at a transcendent point, above both genes and body and mind, in a presumption of containing by his pronouncement an absolute comprehension of the nature of man. Thus he becomes an excellent illustration of what I shall call the provincial mind. Alas, his is an intellectual malady conspicuous among our intelligentsia: the modernist mind presuming intellectual autonomy beyond limit.

Marion Montgomery
novelist, poet and critic

83 posted on 01/04/2007 9:19:44 PM PST by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: betty boop
It certainly seems he doesn't want a god any bigger than himself. It seems to me the entire point of his evangelical atheism is to reduce the entire world to the measure of man -- in fact, to the measure of a man: himself.

Good one. Problem is, I see many "Christians" doing this as well - trying to put our Glorious God and Savior into neat little man-made boxes, titled and labeled, categorized, all-defined and sorted (-out). God have mercy.

His Name Is Wonderful! How I praise Him!

90 posted on 01/05/2007 1:29:08 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: betty boop
I can't help but be amused that Dawkins invests so much time and energy "proving" the non-existence of God. Why is it the "God is Dead" crowd seem so nervous, so anxious, when they assert the body is safely in its coffin, dead and buried? Most undertakers I know simply take it for granted that the body lying in the coffin is, in fact, quite effectively "dead": It's not like you have to keep on checking!

LOLOL! That is quite telling, IMHO. If they really believed what they were saying, they'd act differently.

Thank you for your excellent posts!

102 posted on 01/05/2007 7:39:23 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
I can't help but be amused that Dawkins invests so much time and energy "proving" the non-existence of God.

I know why. The biologists are constantly up against inconvenient ethics. If ethics are made up by a nonexistent God, then they can be dismissed, or at least be made subject to ever loosening standards.

140 posted on 01/05/2007 11:05:24 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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