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To: betty boop
Dawkins actually alludes to measuring a universe without God in an interview that I blogged about last fall. (on NPR)
51 posted on 01/04/2007 11:39:52 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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Dawkins actually alludes to measuring a universe without God in an interview that I blogged about last fall. (on NPR)

I checked out the link, hocndoc. Which side of the debate was you? :^) As for whether it's possible to "measure a universe without God": I'm simple-minded; so I just look at it this way.

Many scientific materialists a/k/a/ "physicalists" or "methodoligical/(metaphysical) naturalists" are committed to the idea of the evolution or development of the universe by means of a more or less random process involving "matter." ("Matter" itself has yet to be rigorously defined; but no matter!)

Now what I want to know is, if this is so, then where did the universal laws of nature come from? Where did reason come from? Where did logic come from? If "accidental matter" supposedly produced these things via the evolutionary process, then why should we trust them? I mean, if they're "yesterday's or today's accident," then maybe "tomorrow's accident" will change them into something other than what they are. (I.e., they wouldn't be universals, but just other parts of contingent, finite nature and thus ill-suited to be "measuring rods" by which we may discern the truths of reality.)

If these "measuring rods" of the universe are the products of random processes, again, why should we trust them? And if we can't trust them, then why should we trust science itself -- which is preeminently a grand edifice raised on the foundations of law, reason, and logic?

Now consider that one of the Names of the Son of God is Logos -- which provides the etymological root for the English word "logic." This is no accident! God tells us He created the universe by speaking His Logos, His Word of Truth, "in the Beginning." By His Logos, His Son, were all things made, in heaven and on earth. Thus the universe itself is shot through with divine law, and logic, and reason -- which is why the universe is understandable to those beings who also possess reason and logic, and have begun to discover that there really are laws embedded in the natural world that did not have a "natural" origin.

If matter and "natural" have become associated in many minds today (as seems to be the case), then to the extent that we recognize that law, logic, and reason are not material entities, then we would have to say they are "super-natural."

And I do say that! FWIW

Thanks so much for writing, hocndoc, and for the link!

61 posted on 01/04/2007 12:41:23 PM PST by betty boop (Beautiful are the things we see...Much the most beautiful those we do not comprehend. -- N. Steensen)
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