[Louis Foxwell]

"Theologians claim that God exists outside the universe and is unknowable by any test of the universe's properties." - Amos

Depends on your epistomology. What do you mean by "unknowable." Dawkins et al. have little to say about where the "idea" of God came from. - RobbyS

The only epistomological argument that can be used to prove the existence of God from studying the properties of the universe is based on the notion that God IS the universe, pantheism.

God speaking into creation is the source of the "idea" of God. He is His own source.

[RobbyS]

The only epistomological argument that can be used to prove the existence of God from studying the properties of the universe is based on the notion that God IS the universe, pantheism. That is simple not the case. Quite good arguments can me made. Whether you find them plausible is another matter.