Posted on 01/02/2007 8:26:21 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
AR-15 rifles are not needed to hunt deer
Anyone needing an AR-15 or a Kalashnikov to hunt deer or elk probably needs a new pair of glasses first. Anyone needing an automatic shotgun to hunt pheasants, rabbits or partridge probably needs a prescription from a neurologist to reduce finger tremors or fight off tension.
I do not wish to change the constitutional amendment giving an organized militia the rights to bear arms, withdrawn from a carefully tended armory. The National Rifle Association has abandoned the parts of the amendment relating to "organized militia" and "tended armory." The NRA is NOT an organized militia, according to its charter.
I believe we should remember that the arms of 1789 were smoothbore Kentucky rifles and that discharge was accomplished by a flint-lock striking a steel, and sending a spark into some gunpowder that ignited the propellant and sent the bullet (or buckshot) on its wiggly way. This was a single shot device (or two shot, with two flint-locks and two barrels). Not even the "six-shooter" was invented at that time. My point is that single-shot weapons, with a long time to re-load, remove school and office massacres that can be caused by automatic weapons.
While it may take another few years to bring sanity to all of our states, I am sure that sanity can prevail in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, and possibly even Rhode Island Plantations. If Nantucket does not approve, let them secede and we will cut off ferry service to them from our shores, and fill the sound with windmills.
All local deer will hold us dear.
BERNARD ROTH Dartmouth
You are quite correct about that. Except for a few cities on the eastern seaboard, where fewer people owned guns, the heads of households were required to keep a gun suitable for military use in their homes.
Fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity . - Sigmund Freud
Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." (A sword is never a killer, it's a tool in the killer's hands.) - Lucius Annaeus Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BC-65 AD)
Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one. - Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist 1764.
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks. - Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to his nephew
The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people;that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, ... or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press. - The Living Thoughts of Thomas Jefferson, pp.46 - 47, Presented by John Dewey
Gun control laws increase the power of government and the criminal element over the average citizen and serve no other purpose. - Robert E. Lee
A goverment that fears arms in the hands of it people should also fear ROPE! - Nathan Bedford Forrest about 1845
...I am opposed to all attempts to license or restrict the arming of individuals...I consider such laws a violation of civil liberty, subversive of democratic political institutions, and self-defeating in their purpose. - Robert Heinlein, in a 1949 letter concerning "Red Planet"
I don't know about you, but if you hear that Williams' guns have been taken, you will know that Williams is dead. - Walter Williams, syndicated columnist
Ain't much can't be cured with a lot of lead flyin' through the air. - SEAL Team Six saying
It is hard to oppress a population equipped to hunt animals the size of a man. -- L. Neil Smith, Pallas (New York: Tor, 1993), p. 380
Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power. - Yoshimi Ishikawa, Japanese author commenting on the lack of protest with which Japanese tolerated governmental corruption, Los Angeles Times, 10/15/92
The most important freedom of all is the freedom to defend freedom.- Kevin McGehee
Gun control, the opiate of the intellectuals: covert elitism laced with self-righteousness.
Thou shalt not disparage another gun rights advocate in public. - Da Blue Wolf
Just one final statement. I've been sitting here getting more and more fed up with all of this talk about these, pieces of machinery, having no legitimate sporting purpose, no legitimate hunting purpose, people, that is not the point of the second amendment! The second amendment is not about duck hunting, and I know I'm not going to make very many friends saying this, but it's about our right, all of our right to be able to protect our selves from all of you guys up there. And nobody's talked about that. Senator Moynahan, I think this is today's paper, Monday, listen to this, a quote from Senator Moynahan, "I think that the United Nations has proven itself a failed instrument in Bosnia. It won't allow the Bosnians to defend themselves and it hasn't defended the Bosnians. I think that we should arm the Bosnians". End quote. I think that Schindlers list should be required viewing for everybody in this room. Thank you. - Dr. Suzanna Gratia, Killeen massacre survivor who watched as her parents were murdered because she obeyed Texas law and left her handgun locked in her car. Appearing before Rep Schumer's committee hearings on the assault weapons ban
Using cross-sectional time-series data for U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992, we find that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crimes and it appears to produce no increase in accidental deaths. If those states which did not have right-to-carry concealed gun provisions had adopted them in 1992, approximately 1,570 murders; 4,177 rapes; and over 60,000 aggravated assaults would have been avoided yearly. - Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns John R. Lott, Jr., School of Law Univ. of Chicago
"We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- going to be very modest ... So then we'll have to start working again to strengthen the law, and then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal -- total control of handguns in the United States -- is going to take time .... The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of guns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of *all* handguns and *all* handgun ammunition -- except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors -- totally illegal." -- Pete Shields, Chairman Emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc. ( "The New Yorker", July 26, 1976 )
This idiot needs a reading comprehension course. The second amendment says nothing about a tended armory. Furthermore, it does not "give" any rights to an "organized militia", but rather asserts that the "right OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Note that the authors of the amendment were very specific in asserting this as a right of the people, not of a militia.
It wasn't a wiggly way and it wasn't a smoothbore. It was rifled. That's why it's called a rifle.
"Anyone needing an AR-15 or a Kalashnikov to hunt deer or elk probably needs a new pair of glasses first. Anyone needing an automatic shotgun to hunt pheasants, rabbits or partridge probably needs a prescription from a neurologist to reduce finger tremors or fight off tension."
MOLON LABE Bernie.
There is no "automatic shotgun" available to hunters. Indeed, I know of none manufactured for any reason. An automatic shotgun would shoot multiple shells repeatedly with one pull of the trigger.
Semi-automatic shotguns, on the other hand, are the norm for duck and goose hunting. One pull of the trigger, one shell shot, with an automated reloading for the next trigger pull. For example, here's Jon Carry with one:
Perhaps the author should check in with their former Presidential Candidate on the nature and use of shotguns before commenting on them.
Thsi guy doesnt know any more about weapons than i know about Nuclear fusion/
Does anyone have an automatic shotgun?
There are some semi-automatic ones out there,I have one. It shoots each time you pull the trigger not automatically.
I dont know of any hunters who use a Kalishnikov.
I dont know any hunters who use an automatic weapon.
I did hear of a police raid on a mans private property where the police went in and shot all the mans hogs with automatic rifles. A slaughter only the police could enjoy.
I do know one man who owns an automatic weapon ,he is charged through the nose for it in tax stamps ,but he enjoys shooting it at ranges. I have sho it myself and it is very recreational,but I wouldnt own one.
Pretty sure the ban will be passed this week!
LOL Good Post.
Bernie's Lefty Bill of Rights
Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, solely for the purpose of hunting deer, shall not be infringed.
TD's Conservative Bill of Rights
First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion . . . or abridging the freedom of speech, unless the person is a Democrat knucklehead . . . in which case his pee-pee shall be whacked with willow cane.
"Bernard Roth"
Oh, look, another idiot in Massachusetts...
Who'd a thunk it?
"I believe we should remember that the arms of 1789 were smoothbore Kentucky rifles..."
I believe we should remember that you are an ignorant a$$hole.
Some people don't understand the need to have a weapon in every popular caliber.
With this logic, freedom of the press would not include radio or television.
a) The State needed a well-trained militia
b) The militia consisted (at least theoretically) of every male over 18 years old
c) There was no time to train people to shoot when the militia was called out to respond to a threat
d) Therefore everyone needed to have acquired and to keep maintained throughout their lives shooting skills, and
e) Therefore everyone needed to own a gun so that they'd already know how to shoot if they had to be called out to defend their communities or their country.
Hunting of animals could easily be outlawed without raising any (constitutional) problems.
The weapons are for hunting tyrants, not animals.
Some punk shot a couple of guys at a nightclub then himself with a legally registered AR-15 clone(all guns must be registered and gun owners licensed -$$$- in the Peoples Republic of Taxachuwsetts). Now all the Mass Dem's are in a tizzy about people owning "ugly" guns. With Deval Patrick coming in as governor you know they are going to ban EVERY gun in the next few years.
A well-regulated organized militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to occasionally withdraw arms from a tended armory, shall not be infringed.
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