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Dying Languages
NY Sun ^ | 12/28/06 | JOHN McWHORTER

Posted on 01/02/2007 6:25:46 AM PST by Valin

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To: Starwolf

My ten year old daughter's education includes translating a proverb or two per "school" day out of Esperanto. Like me, she learned this scale-model hobbyist language using that marvelous computerized course created by those brazilian folks. ( http://www.cursodeesperanto.com.br/bazo/index.php?en )

I strongly recommend this course for home schooling families. It's free, engaging, and provides the excitement of easy mastery. The kids can teach themselves, and learn new grammatical structures along the way. Esperanto is a great warm-up language, predisposing the student to expect success when tackling other languages.


41 posted on 01/03/2007 7:24:49 AM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: Valin; Claud
The Interactive ALR--Database of Native American Languages
42 posted on 01/03/2007 7:29:22 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: Valin
"Cynthiae Figuras Aemulatur Mater Amorum"

43 posted on 01/03/2007 7:32:40 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: Valin; Antoninus
No one has actually spoken Lenape for a very long time.

I'm not sure where the author got this claim...it may just have been an assumption on his part, as many of the Eastern Algonquian languages died out long ago...not Lenape though. There were still a handful of native speakers left last I heard in the mid-90s--Lucy Parks Blalock "Touching Leaves Woman" was fluent in the Unami dialect, and she only passed away in 2000:

http://members.tripod.com/~lenapelady/lucy.html

As the obituary mentions, she had started classes in the language. I have a set of Lenape language lessons she made.

44 posted on 01/03/2007 7:58:20 AM PST by Claud
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To: Valin; Antoninus

Oops...my bad. I got confused. Nora Thompson Dean was "Touching Leaves Woman"; she passed away in 1984.


45 posted on 01/03/2007 8:01:06 AM PST by Claud
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To: truth_seeker
I agree completely. I lived in France and you can't understand the French (or Germans/Italians/Spaniards, etc.)unless you speak their language.

One thing I found interesting is that, here in North America, we are told that we need to learn Spanish. Well, when I lived in Europe, Spanish wouldn't get you very far outside of Spain. The most common second language at my university in France was English. German and Italian were also popular. Spanish was way down on the list.

46 posted on 01/03/2007 8:16:51 AM PST by kellynch ("Our only freedom is the freedom to discipline ourselves." -- Bernard Baruch)
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To: ThanhPhero
You can always tell a Gaelic-speaking man because the voice is pitched higher than is normal for spoken English.

That's true even if the speaker is naturally a bass or baritone. There's also a clarity to the enunciation in English that's very distinctive.

I would greet such folks in the Gaelic . . . and I was never wrong. Only problem was they usually spoke a lot more Gaelic than I did . . .

47 posted on 01/03/2007 8:30:23 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Valin
As a side note, anyone else notice how some of the biggest jerks on the planet are lingusts?
48 posted on 01/03/2007 8:32:22 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Drammach

Language Death Language Death
by David Crystal

I've seen the above title, and read a bit in it, but not read it. Searching for it turned up Language Death: The Life Cycle of a Scottish Gaelic Dialect by Nancy C. Dorian, which I'd otherwise not seen.
49 posted on 01/03/2007 8:39:33 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Ahmedumbass and the mullahcracy is doomed. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: shekkian
Regardless of whether a person takes the Tower of Babel story literally or figuratively, it's a wonderful Biblical commentary on multiculturalism.
50 posted on 01/03/2007 9:47:45 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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3,450 languages face extinction worldwide
Times of India Editorial
Language is primarily about communication. Languages that facilitate interaction between societies survive, the rest die. That is the inescapable logic of history. As societies and communities shed their isolation, languages are forced to change and adapt to new situations. The result is not always predictable. When two societies that speak two different languages engage with each other, it is possible for one of them to dominate the other. This leads to the decline, and eventual disappearance, of the other language. In some cases, a new language itself emerges from the interaction of various speeches and dialects. A third possibility is of both the languages enriching each other... Languages evolve, and sometimes transform, by interacting with other tongues. Those which refuse to socialise are fated to oblivion or fall into disuse. The smart languages are those that frequently borrow from other tongues, and thus maintain an ever-expanding vocabulary. Such languages dominate the world. English is the finest example of a language that has expanded beyond its area of origin by being open to change.

51 posted on 01/03/2007 9:57:03 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Ahmedumbass and the mullahcracy is doomed. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Nancy Dorian is my old prof! That's her book!


52 posted on 01/03/2007 10:37:05 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: TomSmedley

Small children do not need any sort of "starter" language. Most of them are quite capable of learning 2 or more full-blown different languages with their vocabularies and grammars simultaneously. A small child does not know that he is speaking 2 or 3 different languages. It is all language to him. Certain words and constructions are appropriate for the roundeye and certain ones for the man who looks kind of like Dad, etc. When I say "chao em" to a Vietnamese emigre's child, he speaks back to me in English. His Mom says (in Vietnamese)"No, Pham, say 'chao ong!'" and he child turns back to me and says "Hello" and fully believes he has complied with Mom's instruction. Overseas Chinese children in Viet Nam routinely learn 3-5 languages by the time they are 10 or 12 and may have a several more by the time they are functioning adults. A child that manages to pick up three languages early will learn just about any other language very quickly. That is why our forces in the war used Chinese to interpret whenever they ran into a new tiny group of mountain folks that had a "new" language. The Chinese would squat with a couple of villagers for an hour or three and then it's "well, Captain, what do you want to know?" Any family that can afford a tutor and understands the mental benefits of multilinguality should be teaching children other languages starting at age 2-4. A doctor's family here is doing that by paying a Viet family to day-care for their toddler 3 days a week. The family speaks Viet in the home. The Doctor is a Georgia boy with a Korean wife. The child speaks all three languages, but at a 4 y.o. level, of course.


53 posted on 01/03/2007 2:12:31 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Are speaking of the august Dr. Chomsky, perhaps?


54 posted on 01/03/2007 2:15:29 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Each extinction means that a fascinating way of putting words together is no longer alive. In, for example, Inuktitut Eskimo, which, by the way, is not dying, "I should try not to become an alcoholic" is one word: Iminngernaveersaartunngortussaavunga.


Curiously, that's exactly what I say when I am drunk.


55 posted on 01/03/2007 3:34:34 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: AnAmericanMother

:')


56 posted on 01/03/2007 4:33:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Ahmedumbass and the mullahcracy is doomed. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Valin
Someone out there is sure to appreciate McWhorter's Teaching Company course. It's particularly good on how languages are born and die.

There's a tendency towards greater simplicity over time. So pidgin and creole languages are examples of how new languages are formed out of older, more grammatically developed languages.

You can see such an evolution in the formation of English out of ancestor languages that were grammatically more complex.

57 posted on 01/03/2007 4:41:12 PM PST by x
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To: Valin
What a great article! Thank you for posting it.

I only speak 3 languages (English, French & Italian) while my pastor, a veritable polyglot, speaks 8 and reads 4 (Arabic, English, German, French, Spanish, Italian, Greek and Aramaic. He even understands Swedish. He reads Latin, Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek).

I spent many years traveling throughout Italy. It was so fascinating to hear the local dialects - each village has its own. One of the dialects I heard, retained elements of the Etruscan language. Today, all children are taught the official language of Italy which is Italian but even that comes in different forms. The purest form is 'high' Italian, spoken in Parma. It is both lilting and poetic.

My present goal is to learn Arabic. The great challenge, however, is learning the alphabet along with the language. Arabic, BTW, is descended from Syriac and Aramaic.

58 posted on 01/03/2007 5:48:06 PM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: NYer

I can curse fluently and pick up a hooker in Korean. Thanks to Uncle Sam. Not that I ever did such a thing when I was stationed there, but I watched others do it.

All I thought about in my off duty time was Moms apple pie, Baseball, and how could I help my Sgt..
That's my story and I'm stickin with it!


59 posted on 01/03/2007 9:25:24 PM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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'Status' drives extinction of languages
Australian Broadcasting Corp Online | Thursday, 21 August 2003 | Bob Beale
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60 posted on 01/04/2007 9:48:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Ahmedumbass and the mullahcracy is doomed. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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