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Roberts blasts inadequate pay for judges
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | December 31, 2006 | PETE YOST

Posted on 01/01/2007 7:26:14 AM PST by indcons

Pay for federal judges is so inadequate that it threatens to undermine the judiciary's independence, Chief Justice John Roberts says in a year-end report critical of Congress.

Issuing an eight-page message devoted exclusively to salaries, Roberts says the 678 full-time U.S. District Court judges, the backbone of the federal judiciary, are paid about half that of deans and senior law professors at top schools.

In the 1950s, 65 percent of U.S. District Court judges came from the practicing bar and 35 percent came from the public sector. Today the situation is reversed, Roberts said, with 60 percent from the public sector and less than 40 percent from private practice.

Federal district court judges are paid $165,200 annually; appeals court judges make $175,100; associate justices of the Supreme Court earn $203,000; the chief justice gets $212,100.

Thirty-eight judges have left the federal bench in the past six years and 17 in the past two years.

The issue of pay, says Roberts, "has now reached the level of a constitutional crisis."

"Inadequate compensation directly threatens the viability of life tenure, and if tenure in office is made uncertain, the strength and independence judges need to uphold the rule of law - even when it is unpopular to do so - will be seriously eroded," Roberts wrote.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: congress; govwatch; johnroberts; judgespay; judiciary; scotus; supremecourt
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To: freedomfiter2

Okay, so Clarence Thomas, Anton Scalia and Wm. Reinquist are or were ambulance chasing scumbags.....


201 posted on 01/01/2007 9:44:57 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: TWohlford
Here are my questions:
  1. Which degree is more difficult to obtain: A PhD in mathematics or a JD? Who is, in general, more intelligent?
  2. Who do you think gets paid more, a PhD mathematician at the NSA or a federal judge?
  3. Given the fact that the Constitution is easily read by any literate native speaker of English, what specialty is necessary to be a judge?

Now if we had a European system where the judges actually had to know something (terrorism courts, patent courts, etc.) he might have a point, but given that the only requirement is to be literate and be able to tie your own shoes, I don't see why they should be paid more than minimum wage, let alone the six figures they are paid.

202 posted on 01/01/2007 9:45:04 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: Young Scholar
Given the class-envy evident on this thread, is that really what most people want?

Given the elitism evident on this thread, it's probable that the political class will likely keep handing the "all-powerful" judiciary the tiny bit of control over our futures they haven't already accrued to themselves.

203 posted on 01/01/2007 9:45:27 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: Richard from IL
My best friend from HS is an actuary. You guys are kind of a rare bird. Meaning there are not many of you. Cool job.

I hope you get some cash back from your Father's invention, if from nothing else but the book.

204 posted on 01/01/2007 9:45:29 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: EternalVigilance
I plan to (I just got into Harvard Law, from which I will emerge with $100k in debt). As much as I would like to clerk and enter a career in the judiciary, this would be a huge financial sacrifice that I don't know if I'll be able to make early in my life.

Luckily, many top law students come from much richer backgrounds, and will probably be willing to trade the money of the private sector for prestige and public service of the judiciary without hurting their lifestyles much. I hope they tend to be conservatives.

205 posted on 01/01/2007 9:47:37 AM PST by Young Scholar
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To: Smokin' Joe
If the judges were to shrink the scope of Federal Power to within the constraints established by the Constitution, however, there would be ample funds to pay them better.

My nomination for quote of the day.

206 posted on 01/01/2007 9:47:57 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: Earthdweller

McLean, Great Falls, Langley and Chevy Chase are all pricy burbs of DC. 3,000 Sq. feet will cost you $1-1.5 million.

Buy a condo in DC (nice area) and you will pay $600K for 1,200 sq. feet of space.


207 posted on 01/01/2007 9:48:27 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: Beagle8U

It occurs to me that, since the entire court system is not a market system but is created by our government, it isn't right for lawyers to benefit so much from it while ordinary taxpayers pay for all the costs.

I suggest that officers of the court be assessed a tax so that we can pay the judges properly.


208 posted on 01/01/2007 9:48:43 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: DManA
Where is it written that judging has to be their life long occupation?

The Constitution specifies life tenancy for judges. Perhaps you are not particularly concerned about the Constitution and the Original Intent of the Framers to make the judiciary independent?

Work in the free market for a while, then do your public service for a while. Go back to the free market if it becomes to burdensome.

So Federal Judges would then make rulings to impress their future employers. Great.

A judge, particularly a Federal judge is not just any other public sector job. Citizen-legislators are fine; citizen-judges are just nonsensical. You can't have amateurs interpreting the Law just as you can't have amateurs performing surgery. We need the best legal minds in the most important legal positions -- the Federal judiciary. The best won't stay if they take too great a financial hit.

Of course, if you think having Luttig leave the DC Circuit is a good thing, then by all means go ahead.

209 posted on 01/01/2007 9:48:43 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: DManA
Either judges are paid a competetive wage or they are not. If they are not, then we as a country are asking an individual with certain skills to do charity work by being a judge. If the competetive wage is 300K, but a judge makes 200K, we are asking judges to forfeit 100K. Some may be willing to, others may not. But its crazy not to understand that the pool of talent is restricted under this system.

One particular problem with this system is that if someone accepts a paycut of 100K+, then the job must be paying him in other ways. Is it power? Ability to implant his idealogy in his rulings? It must be something. Do we really want people on the bench with these motives?

210 posted on 01/01/2007 9:48:46 AM PST by undeniable logic
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To: Marysecretary

I don't begrudge them as much money as they can earn. If its that important quit and go get it. I get sick of this blather about "public service" out of one side of their mouths and the constant demand for market level wages. If you can't support your wife in the manner she has become accustomed Mr. Roberts, then do your duty for 5 years and then go grab the money.


211 posted on 01/01/2007 9:49:02 AM PST by DManA
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To: Young Scholar

Uhmm...that's kinda what I thought.

Hopefully, they haven't educated your brains out of your head yet.


212 posted on 01/01/2007 9:49:04 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: Frwy
The law is hidden in the fine print an unfortunately most of us won't receive a copy.
213 posted on 01/01/2007 9:50:06 AM PST by new2NV
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To: Earthdweller

What stinks?


214 posted on 01/01/2007 9:50:13 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: You Dirty Rats
Perhaps you are not particularly concerned about the Constitution and the Original Intent of the Framers to make the judiciary independent?

Currently, the problem is not with their independence. It is with the dangerous idea that they are supreme.

215 posted on 01/01/2007 9:50:40 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: AmishDude
Now if we had a European system where the judges actually had to know something (terrorism courts, patent courts, etc.) he might have a point, but given that the only requirement is to be literate and be able to tie your own shoes, I don't see why they should be paid more than minimum wage, let alone the six figures they are paid.

The job of a common-law judge (which is roughly what we have) is far more difficult than that of a civil-law judge, since far more is left to judgment and the application of ambiguous precedent.

216 posted on 01/01/2007 9:50:42 AM PST by Young Scholar
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To: EternalVigilance

I'll remain conservative regardless... I doubt even the best legal minds at Harvard could change that if they tried.


217 posted on 01/01/2007 9:52:23 AM PST by Young Scholar
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To: DManA
Judges are appointed by politicians. It's not a free market.

By this "logic", workers are hired by bosses, therefore, labor is not a free market.

218 posted on 01/01/2007 9:53:26 AM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

It would be interesting to know what percentage of the posters who are defending Roberts' are in the legal profession.


219 posted on 01/01/2007 9:53:49 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: MikefromOhio

As I said in a previous post, paying someone to be honest is a fools errand. Either a person IS honest or a person is NOT.

If one cannot afford a 2 bedroom apartment on 200K a year, perhaps socialism IS the answer because the free market has failed.


220 posted on 01/01/2007 9:54:12 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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