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1 posted on 01/01/2007 5:45:45 AM PST by shrinkermd
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2 posted on 01/01/2007 5:46:40 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: shrinkermd

All about promoting abortions


3 posted on 01/01/2007 5:48:09 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: shrinkermd
"...or other chromosomal defects."

Someday, soon, the mother to be will be tested for her ability to deliver "perfect" children. What an advancement to be able to know before you go and marry someone that they're liable to produce defectives./s

5 posted on 01/01/2007 5:53:32 AM PST by n230099 ("If the creator had a purpose in equipping us with a neck, he surely meant us to stick it out.")
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About one in 800 babies has Down syndrome . . .So for this they recommend routine testing? I was nearly 35 when my son was born, and refused anmio.

I asked what the odds of miscarrying were vs having a DS baby. I was told 1 in 200 that I'd miscarry, 1 in 600 that I'd have a DS baby.

I said, "do the math". I would have had the baby regardless, so it really didn't make sense.

It will just drive up health insurance costs even more.

6 posted on 01/01/2007 5:53:48 AM PST by mombonn (God is looking for spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.)
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Ahhhh yes, the eugenics approach to developing a nice perfect Arya...oops, I mean HUMAN race.

I have very close friends who have a little 3 year old boy who was born with a chromosomal defect, you would never know it now except that the child had motor skill issues for the first 2 years of life, now he's running around like any little kid, but you can bet that under this regimen (and the future regimens that will surely follow), that my friends would have been 'urged' to abort that little boy, because after all, there were signs that the baby might have 'problems', hmmm?


9 posted on 01/01/2007 6:02:31 AM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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how very Gattaca.(good movie btw)


10 posted on 01/01/2007 6:04:11 AM PST by Malsua
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To: shrinkermd
The main reason: Tests far less invasive than the long-used amniocentesis are now widely available, some that can tell in the first trimester the risk of a fetus having Down syndrome or other chromosomal defects.

This is good news to an end. Our first child was prounounced as high risk for Down's syndrome. My wife refused a further, invasive procedure that presented a risk to the child. The Doctor didn't insist, but said refusing the test was a bad idea. Our child was born premature due to my wife going into labor at 5 months after being rear ended by some @sshole in a corvette. We held off the labor just long enough for him to have lungs, by the grace of God.

As it is, he's only had 1 B grade (1 term of 4 for one class averaging A for the year) and the rest straight A's since he started school. In short, he's brilliant.

My point is that these tests are often wrong and present a risk to the child as a fetus. People are correct to have doubts. For those it will make a difference too in order to prepare for Down's syndrome, there is significant advantage in having more reliable, less invasive testing available. More people will pursue testing if there's less threat presented to the health of the preborn child.

14 posted on 01/01/2007 6:16:08 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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Perfection-or-death "peace-of-mind" Ping.


15 posted on 01/01/2007 6:17:06 AM PST by TheSarce ("America is NOT what's wrong with this world." --Donald Rumsfeld)
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Pinged from Terri Dailies

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17 posted on 01/01/2007 6:24:14 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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My youngest daughter, while in high school, babysat for a family with a Down Syndrome child. The extraordinary gift of love that she saw in this child inspired her to choose her college path for a career teaching Down Syndrome children.


19 posted on 01/01/2007 6:39:39 AM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 60-65)
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This is just one more step in the process. Next will be that mothers who refuse to abort defective babies will be called selfish. In the next step after that, they will be called criminal.


20 posted on 01/01/2007 6:45:17 AM PST by Marylander
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To: shrinkermd

Paving the way for more abortions.


21 posted on 01/01/2007 7:08:33 AM PST by fleagle
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To: shrinkermd

I have to agree with the idea of parents being able to test a fetus for any number of serious genetic and prenatal defects, and to abort in such a case.

What motivation other than cruelty would insist that a child be born who is crippled, retarded, in need of terribly expensive medical care before painfully dying at a young age?

No matter what rationalization is used, that is the bottom line. Pain and suffering to the child and their parents. Pain and suffering, vs. whatever you find offensive in abortion. Pain and suffering. A lifetime's worth because of someone else's principals.

Life is not worth living if its sole purpose is anguish, pain and suffering, not only to the child, but to their parents. It is just wrong.


22 posted on 01/01/2007 7:12:31 AM PST by Popocatapetl
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i was 24, 30 and 36 with our kids. without hesitation,
we declined all but the very basic testing. it made
absolutely no difference to us if any of our kids were
born with disabilities. if blessed we are ever with a
fourth, we'd do it again in a heartbeat, and i've been
"high risk" with all three. :)


24 posted on 01/01/2007 7:29:24 AM PST by leda (The quiet girl on the stairs.)
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When I was pregnant with my second child I was over 40 and the doctors suggested we test for Down's. They reminded me that 1 in 50 children whose mothers are over 40 have Down's Syndrome. I protested, "But I know lots of mothers who are in my cohort when they gave birth and none of them have Down's babies." The doctors said sadly that that was because most of the Down's babies get aborted.

I now know one family who had a Down's baby, and being good Catholics they had prepared in advance to keep the child. He is a joy now.


26 posted on 01/01/2007 7:38:43 AM PST by Fairview
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My son was born almost 19 years ago. I was over 35 and had to sign a waiver because I refused a blood test to detect Down's (I wasn't going to abort, so why take the test.) When asked why they said they were trying to avoid lawsuits for "wrongful life." Unbelievable!


28 posted on 01/01/2007 7:50:00 AM PST by dawn53
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But .. they never bother to tell you how many times they are wrong in their prognosis.

I have a niece and a nephew who were both "diagnosed" with dreadful maladies in the womb - WHICH NEITHER OF THEM HAVE. Because their parents decided to go ahead with the pregnancies and brought the babies to full term did we find out the tests were totally wrong.

This whole plan to me seems only to try to abort more babies.


32 posted on 01/01/2007 8:28:19 AM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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I wonder if we will hear about all these "wonderful" new tests after one becomes available to test for the so-called "gay" gene.
34 posted on 01/01/2007 8:34:11 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: shrinkermd

Ever notice how the "perfect" or beautiful" people treat each other, much less the "less" perfect?

The word "compassion" is a foreign concept, something to be used only as a p.r. gimmick to sell their next movie.

Sometimes I think God made some of us less than"perfect" to teach us true compassion for our fellow man.


43 posted on 01/01/2007 9:16:36 AM PST by RedMonqey ( The truth is never PC)
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If the test showed serious mental deficiencies you could move to Massachusetts and have the child represent you in the Senate.


45 posted on 01/01/2007 9:33:12 AM PST by Dilbert56
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