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America's Lost 3,000 (In Iraq)
Time ^ | December 30, 2006 | NATHAN THORNBURGH

Posted on 12/31/2006 5:24:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The death toll for U.S. soldiers in Iraq has reached 3,000, a number that's both unbearable and, compared to previous military operations, a pittance.

War can make poets. The British World War I soldier Wilfred Owen had lived as a minor disciple of literary giants until he was thrust into the abattoir of Europe's cataclysmic war to discover the brutal theme of his art. "Nor is it about deeds, or lands, nor anything about glory, honour, might, majesty, dominion, or power, except War," he wrote. "My subject is War, and the pity of War." The war invested meaning into his words, giving them a dark significance that still evokes heartbreak.

But can war provide similar meaning to a number? What can now be derived from reaching the grim milestone of 3,000 American dead in Iraq? The public's contemplation of the number should have little to do with the right or the wrong of American occupation, nor with the viability of that seed of peace America is meant to be sowing there. Wars are always paid in blood and numbered in lives lost, the value of that sacrifice doesn't rise or fall like penny stock depending on the popularity of a mission. The 3,000th death is as the first — dying being the pitiable but inextricable consequence of war.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; army; communists; defeatocrats; democrats; gop; iraq; lsm; marinecorps; military; peacecreeps; proterrorist; republicans; saddamites; timelifecnnknew; usefulidiots
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To: BW2221

No need to bash you. You make very articulate and excellant points. I agree completely.


61 posted on 12/31/2006 7:45:41 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (There are no moderate Mooslims !)
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To: DustyMoment

No he is right. The Boomers took their moonbat ideas off the campus to the top of national leadership, then will bankrupt medicare on their way out. In no way have they kept the ideals of the greatest generation alive and vibrant.


62 posted on 12/31/2006 7:46:24 PM PST by omega4179 (Just say no to riNOs)
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To: Professor Kill

You can't possibly be that naive can you? 1000 murders every year in LA county.


63 posted on 12/31/2006 7:48:21 PM PST by omega4179 (Just say no to riNOs)
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To: concerned about politics; Getready; centurion316; WorkingClassFilth; The South Texan; OldFriend; ...

I would like to see a post that has some basic figures --all together on one post--of various death figures for the US per year/ or 3year period. Then I would have a ready made index card to hand to the next Maroon Lib that gets off on quoting "3000".

This would help my stress level in dealing with the jerks. ha.


64 posted on 12/31/2006 7:52:29 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (There are no moderate Mooslims !)
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To: Professor Kill

I would say you are dishonest by adding sectarian violence to us solder death rates, which is the article in question.


65 posted on 12/31/2006 7:56:12 PM PST by omega4179 (Just say no to riNOs)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Here's the FBI's yearly Uniform Crime Stats for murder for 1999-2003: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_03/xl/03tbl2-9.xls

Hope that helps. If not, Google 'FBI Uniform Crime Statistics' and you'll find everything you need.


66 posted on 12/31/2006 8:01:16 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: All; 2ndDivisionVet

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NEVER FORGET


The Words
http://www.Freerepublic.com/~ALOHARONNIE



The Pictures
http://www.RickRescorla.com/The%20Statue.htm


The Heroism
http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361


NEVER FORGET

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67 posted on 12/31/2006 8:02:25 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: armymarinemom

I spoke with a real loony antiwar activist by phone today. She sounded drugged out on something, and told me that both her computers and 3 satellite TV boxes have been mysteriously fried either by the government or her ex-husband. She claimed that all her equipment was fried by "firewire" even though there is nothing connected to it. She told me her fondest desire is to move from Mendocino County CA to "some foreign country with warm beaches" and told me about 37 times that she publishes an ANTI-WAR! website (also meat is murder) and that is why the government continues to persecute her. I kid you not. They are certifiably insane.


68 posted on 12/31/2006 8:05:07 PM PST by Sender ("How do you know what the fish think? You're not a fish." -Hui Zi)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Awesome. thanks!


69 posted on 12/31/2006 8:07:26 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (There are no moderate Mooslims !)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

It's your tax dollars, but I'm glad to help. Go kick some...


70 posted on 12/31/2006 8:10:29 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

The Centers for Disease Control maintains the official mortality statistics for the U.S. They are available on their website which will pop up if you Google "mortality statistics". Unfortunately, the tables are posted as PDF files, so its not easy to cut and paste, but its all there.


71 posted on 12/31/2006 8:12:49 PM PST by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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To: All; concerned about politics


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NEVER FORGET


Praise GOD that
President BUSH has promised


Freedom's Return to:

Communist Vietnam
Communist North Korea
Communist Cuba


..as well as..


Freedom's Arrival to:


All the Countries of the Middle East


...as America's own best self-protection against future Terrorist Attacks here at home.




Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer
Veteran-1st Major Battles for Freedom of the Vietnam War 1965-66

(Photo Collecrtion)
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm


NEVER FORGET

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72 posted on 12/31/2006 8:13:31 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
dying being the pitiable but inextricable consequence of war life
73 posted on 12/31/2006 8:17:35 PM PST by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese, that why I don't sing.)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
I get the feeling Nathan wrote this article some time ago, just waiting for the 3,000 mark before it was published.

Absolutely! This has been boiler-plated for months .. they've been salivating to print it.

God bless our brave and awesome troops!! We can never repay them for their devotion and sacrifice.

74 posted on 12/31/2006 8:18:24 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Professor Kill

It's 'dishonest' to paint all of Iraq with what's going on in the Baghdad and Anbar provinces, considering that over 50% of all terrorist attacks occur in those two provinces, out of 18 provinces.

But does the MSM care? Noooo...

And I see you've been zotted.


75 posted on 12/31/2006 8:28:02 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (LET ME SHOW YOU MY POKEYMANS MY POKEYMANS LET ME SHOW YOU THEM)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is over a couple of years. We lost nearly 3,000 in one day and that began it all.

drive-by media are ghoulish idiots.


76 posted on 12/31/2006 8:39:36 PM PST by Fudd Fan (Liberal RATs will get us all killed.)
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To: omega4179
Careful with those generalizations... I'm a boomer and I'm NOT a moonbat, thankyouverymuch.
77 posted on 12/31/2006 8:40:43 PM PST by Fudd Fan (Liberal RATs will get us all killed.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
 
 
That goon Sheehan is planning a protest, celebration or whatever out in Crawford, no doubt in reference to this. Saw it on the TV news while ago. Slimy Be-otch.
 
 
 

78 posted on 12/31/2006 9:02:35 PM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: highlander_UW
My guess is that we've eliminated something on the order of 300,000 Islamics from the other side's active fighting force. I readily believe 1000-2000+ of those, had they not been eliminated, would've either made it to our shores to successfully wreak serious havoc, or would've taken it out on American/British/Israeli interests abroad, to total 2-10x or more what 9/11 took in lives lost.

When American losses are put in perspective (e.g., twelve American deaths per day at the hands of illegal aliens, tens of thousands per year due to auto accidents, murder, etc.), our troops, their families, W and his administration certainly have been making a lot of good choices regarding the GWOT in the last five+ years.

OTOH, it would appear a large segment of the American populace hasn't steeped itself in sufficient truth to see the realities of this current conflict.

HF

79 posted on 12/31/2006 9:04:50 PM PST by holden
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To: All; STARWISE

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What makes an American Hero to you..?



'MODERN DAY HEROES: In Defense of America'

http://www.ModernDayHeroes.com/aloha

Hit: 'Resource Center'

Hit: 'Aloha Ronnie'

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80 posted on 12/31/2006 9:05:16 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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