Hey, you want an "old fashioned" Bible?
Try this:
Got one for Christmas and love it.
Posted on 12/31/2006 8:41:18 AM PST by Gamecock
There are a number on TV. When I see them, I change the channel. I do not send money to just anyone and that seems to be the only thing they are doing. I do not understand why people watch them.
You said -- "Unfortunately many evangelicals are suckers for conmen. With a Bible in their hand, and heavy reliance on out of context scripture, with the name of Jesus continually invoked you can rake in serious bucks."
The problem here, with many in the Evangelical world, is that they take the "terminology" that someone uses, at face value, without checking on what they *really* mean. So, someone can come in and use the right words (and they are the right words, all right) -- but either the meanings have been changed or they really don't apply them the way the Bible says.
So, they actually trust that these people (and others) are not lying to them. But, they are lying, in many instances. And even so, sometimes when they aren't lying, some of these leaders fall into sin.
And then you said -- "And reassure your congregation that "works" don't count....all you have to do is mouth "I accept Jesus as my savior" and you're assured of your personal salvation."
Well, "works" don't count, in terms of effecting or securing your salvation. That's pretty clear. I've already quoted the following verses several times -- but it bears repeating here, too.
In Romans 10:9-10 -- it says
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
That's it, for salvation. That's not "it" for all that the Bible has to say about living the Christian life, but that's "it" for salvation.
There's a lot of "works" that one can do -- after -- becoming a Christian, and that's good. It's just that those things *after* becoming a Christian have nothing to be with it happening in the first place. These things are an *outgrowth* of becoming a Christian and *not* a "means" to becoming a Christian in the first place.
But becoming a Christian *is* as simple as those two verses -- and *no works* involved.
Regards,
Star Traveler
"I'll bet in the '50s and '60s, MSM types probably tried to paint Billy as some dangerous, extreme-fundamentalist whacko.'
No, not really. Incredible as it may seem, the media has not always been overwhelmingly leftist. The fifties especially were Joe McCarthy's era.
The symposium was not a religious service, and in any event Obama is a member of the United Church of Christ, assuming you were referring to him as the pagan. Or perhaps you meant that Warren is the pagan. :) What would be accurate is to refer to myself as a pagan. Cheers.
"Works is proof of faith."
Not really. Anything can be faked. Only God knows what's in the heart.
I just love hearing Lutherans talk like that! ;-)
Happy New Year my FRiend!
sdg
That thought had crossed my mind as well.
However, I just can't see that happening. He might be tempted to accept invites to both conventions to try and play both sides of the fence, but the Dims will force him to choose one side or the other. They'd yank his invitation and instruct their propagandists to turn on him if he also accepts a speaking engagement with the Republicans.
I looked up the meaning of paganism. It doesn't fit me very well it turns out. Oh well.
However, all is not lost. The Bible in any form is still a very good seller.
(Now don't anyone go getting offended. I'd much rather sell a good old-fashioned copy of the Bible to someone over any of this new-agey feel-good cr@p.)
If pagan's walk in off the stree they should be welcomed warmly, but Church is the goal of Evangelism, not the place for it.
But those with faith will produce works. Those who work without faith have nothing but filthy rags.
You said -- "However, I don't care for pastors that lie."
No, definitely not a good trait for a pastor.
Regards,
Star Traveler
The Lutheran religion also believes that you must be baptized, but you're spot-on. It's not really a very hard concept to understand. Anyone else that puts themselves between us and God is just out for your hard earned cash-o-la, IMHO. :)
"Pagans aren't commanded to worship on the Lord's day. Christians are. "
No they aren't. You're confused. That's Old Testament theology, not New Testament.
Hey, you want an "old fashioned" Bible?
Try this:
Got one for Christmas and love it.
If you want to hear a pastor speak truthfully and with conviction about the disintegrating culture, you should watch the Coral Ridge Hour with Dr. D. James Kennedy, a conservative Presbyterian minister who pulls no punches. Unfortunately, Dr. Kennedy suffered a massive heart attack on Thursday and his pivotal role in his ministry may have ended. This brillant intellectual and galvanizing preacher will be sorely missed.
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