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Looking Behind the 'Purpose Driven' Sheep's Clothing
Cybercast News Service ^ | December 29, 2006 | Christopher G. Adamo

Posted on 12/31/2006 8:41:18 AM PST by Gamecock

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To: Jo Nuvark

And we are warned to watch out for false teachers.


How do you propose we do that?


401 posted on 01/01/2007 11:32:42 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: TommyDale; Quix; scripter; Gamecock; Star Traveler

Every church has a "gimmick" to bring unbelievers ...
children's event, free food, whatever ... it's OK with me.
Warren's gimmick is a book that happens to appeal to those
who otherwise would reject God. It's just possible that
God has used Warren's book to bring people back to the
"Good Book". Perhaps a great percentage of those people
will develop roots. Some will not. But then that is the same
with all churches.


402 posted on 01/01/2007 11:34:44 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Every church has a "gimmick" to bring unbelievers ... children's event, free food, whatever ... it's OK with me.

Maybe you need to find a church who's only gimmick is the preaching of God's word.

403 posted on 01/01/2007 11:36:59 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: Gamecock

You are so right!


404 posted on 01/01/2007 11:37:16 AM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: B-Chan

[... not judging his eternal destiny -- just his business practices...]

Sounds like Warren is a brilliant businessman.


405 posted on 01/01/2007 11:37:33 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Gamecock

Add me to the ping list...thanks!


406 posted on 01/01/2007 11:38:42 AM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Jo Nuvark

I know what you are saying. I think that once you have them attending, you need to at least feed them with something other than the milk. They need meat eventually.

Actually, I think "gimmicks" to get people to attend church is a miscalculation for those who want instant growth or instant gratification as we refer to it these days. What is wrong with just teaching the Bible as it is written, and let God fill the pews? There are no shortcuts, it is not an easy path, nor should it be easy.


407 posted on 01/01/2007 11:38:43 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Jo Nuvark; Gamecock
Every church has a "gimmick

The only church's with "gimmicks" are ones that quit preaching the word

408 posted on 01/01/2007 11:38:45 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/a/m/amazgrac.htm)
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To: Jo Nuvark
I am offended by your judgmental attitude
of calling me judgmental.
409 posted on 01/01/2007 11:39:30 AM PST by WKB (Rudy V Hillary= There is no lessor of two liberals.)
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To: Jo Nuvark

You said -- "Every church has a "gimmick" to bring unbelievers ..."

What's God's gimmick? The last I heard the cross was an "offense" to those who don't believe. Is that the gimmick that we should be using? Just wondering, since God uses it...

Regards,
Star Traveler


410 posted on 01/01/2007 11:41:14 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Gamecock
"Let's not forget the fact that he uses fragments of verses. We tend to forget that Chapters/Verses were put in Scripture by the Reformers as reference points. Warren wretches verses out of their context to make his point."

He not only uses translations, but worse, he often uses paraphrases which bear little or no resemblence to the original...but which suit his needs for wording that substantiates his "purpose".

411 posted on 01/01/2007 11:44:18 AM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Gamecock; Star Traveler; nmh; Quix

Jesus gimmick was story telling and feeding people.
This is what he told us to do about false teachers.

Matthew 13:25-30

... The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which
sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his
enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his
way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth
fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of
the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not
thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath
it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The
servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and
gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather
up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let
both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of
harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together
first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:
but gather the wheat into my barn...


412 posted on 01/01/2007 11:46:18 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: WKB

Just including you in the discussion. Please don't
take it personally. Many, including yourself have
not been judgmental at all.


413 posted on 01/01/2007 11:49:19 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: nmh

Amen.


414 posted on 01/01/2007 11:49:51 AM PST by Sue Perkick (Just a water spider on the pond of life.)
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To: Star Traveler; Gamecock

[... What is God's gimmick??? ...]

Outstanding question.

God's gimmick is His unconditional love toward me.
This is almost more than I can fathom. That God
loved me and reached out to me through the cross
and the blood of His beloved Son, Jesus Christ...
all while I was yet a sinner.

(Happy to hear that you got back safely)


415 posted on 01/01/2007 11:52:34 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark

No one is presuming to be a teacher. Just watching out for the false ones. And there's nothing wrong with pointing that out.


416 posted on 01/01/2007 11:53:08 AM PST by Sue Perkick (Just a water spider on the pond of life.)
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To: TommyDale

[... There are no shortcuts, it is not an easy path, nor should it be easy...]

Great points Tommy.

See Post #401


417 posted on 01/01/2007 11:54:58 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark

A "gimmick"? Good grief. The gospel of Jesus Christ needs no "gimmick".


418 posted on 01/01/2007 11:55:14 AM PST by Sue Perkick (Just a water spider on the pond of life.)
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To: Sue Perkick

You are correct. Just including you in the discussion.


419 posted on 01/01/2007 11:55:32 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark

You said -- "This is what he told us to do about false teachers."

Well, the Apostle Paul did a lot more than ignore them. He would name them and say a lot more than that. And, unless you have others who can report these things, analyze them, put them down for other to read and be warned of it -- it leads to many others being misled.

What he was saying was not to go and cut off their heads (like the Muslims do). He wasn't saying to allow them to continuing teaching without being reproved. And *definitely* we are to warn others to not fall for the deception.

You see, when they gather up the tares at the end of the age, they are burned (that means "dead"). We're not burning them. We comply with that. But, we are reproving false teaching.

Regards,
Star Traveler


420 posted on 01/01/2007 11:56:45 AM PST by Star Traveler
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