Posted on 12/31/2006 8:41:18 AM PST by Gamecock
You mean Warren is to religion what McCain is to politics?
Yup. I don't see tha issue as being Warren's individual slavation, no one should call that into question. The issue is with the product he sells.
I keep thinking about the Parable of the Seeds. IMO, the seeds Warren sows are the ones that get swept away by the worries of the world. It's also not so different from the Gospel of Prosperity.
I'm not the world's expert on RW either.
But I'm at least as up on him in some respects as his accusers.
And, oddly, such accusers mostly come from denominational perspectives which seem to emphasize GRACE.
Could have fooled me.
Quix, I'm sure you're a good Christian, but this Warren guy is a con man. He's Elmer Ganrty with a publishing contract. Support him if it makes you feel better, but DO NOT give him any of your money or time.
Ditto for that grinning fool in Houston.
I mean no offense, but I've seen his type too many times not to recognize them. Pure snake-oil salesmen, every one of 'em.
Yes, I know. So now calling sin SIN is "abrasive and uncaring". LOL! I wonder if Saddam Hussein is thinking that right now.
Instead of attacking the author perhaps you can show where the statements are not true lest you be considered an accuser.
i UNDERSTAND your perspective.
I've been up close and personal with quite a number of internationally known Christian leaders. I'm not very impressed with a lot of them.
But your perspective is not mine.
Ditto!
You said -- "As I recall, he took over from Dr Walter Martin."
I didn't know that Dave Hunt had a connection with Walter Martin. Maybe he did. But, as far as taking over -- the organization that Walter Martin had was taken over by Hank Hanegraaff (AKA, the Bible Answer Man). There was a controversy about that, and there's still some controversy about Hanegraaff, even today.
You also said -- "Though he's very hostile to Holy Spirit operating a la Acts 2; I Cor 12-14 in our era."
I've got disagreements in my own close and immediate family about that, too -- not to say anything about my extended family (on both sides of the fence), and the rest of the Christian world. Hey..., I've got some people thinking Benny Hinn is the coming Messiah (from the way they talk to me, and that he raises the dead). Doesn't Dave Hunt have a book on Benny Hinn (or is that some other author)?
And then -- "Dave Hunt was narrow, rigid, hostile, parochial, prissy, arrogant, etc., in his attacks on many good men of GOD who mainly just didn't happen to see peripheral things as he did."
I've read several of his books, and been at meetings to hear him speak directly, and have listened to several of his radio shows -- and have never found him to be that way. I've found that he's heavy on documenting things and taking materials that others have written and/or said and provided those things in his books or when he's speaking -- and then -- has offered people to come back and correct what he has or deny it or explain it. So far, he's never been told that what he's quoted or written down or said was wrong (in terms of referring to other people's positions and what they did and said). He goes to great lengths to explain these things and make them clear.
And the fact of the matter is there is a lot of totally dumb stuff that some of these other preachers and/or leaders say and do.
If others are wondering about that -- check it out at his web site --
http://www.thebereancall.org/
Regards,
Star Traveler
No.
St Paul exhorts against such 'water' fights over such issues.
And, I've learned the hard way, there is no life and light exchanged to any kind of lastingly fruitful way hereon. It's an exercise in fuitility. No thanks.
You do know that Warren doesn't keep any of the royalties from his book don't you? He gives it all back to his church, and other philanthropies. Warren is NOT a con man. He may not be your cup of tea; he certainly isn't mine (I am a rather decided skeptic - it was the way I was brought up and suits my "nature" to boot). There isn't much of the live and let live spirit suffusing this thread. Sad really. We all different, have different backgrounds, and different ways of worhsip or no worship suit different individuals. Who are we to criticize and put down?
The problem with all of this is to find a balance and not be judgemental. The Bible encourages all believers to be wary of wolves in sheeps' clothes. This places a responsibility on us, as believers, to test everything and hold on to that which is true. That doesn't mean that we are all Pharisees.
My church did PDL and it made good points, but I did have issues with RW using numerous translations of the Word, even in one lesson. To me it seemed manipulative and, thus, raised questions in my mind about Warren's use of scripture.
We aren't wrong for using our knowledge of the Word, our intelligence, and most of all the discerning power of the Holy Spirit within. This is a command of Scripture.
And of course Quix is the sole judge of what is unBiblical and what isn't.
I suppose you would have us bow down and kiss your ring.
I'd be happy to be wrong about DAve.
I do recall some folks calling him to account about being wrong on some set of things about someone but I don't recall specifically what.
I suppose you would have us bow down and kiss your ring.
= = =
How sweet.
There fixed that for you
Warren invited the very liberal Senator Barak Obama (D-Ill.) as a keynote speaker. He justified the inclusion of Obama, who avidly supports abortion and same-sex "marriage," on the grounds that Obama offered a worldly solution to ostensibly curb the spread of the disease through condom usage.
Yes because Lord knows just preaching at 'em really hard has stopped the spread of AIDS...I don't agree with anything else Obama has said but I do have to wonder when Adamo will be writing a hit piece on Sen. Brownback (R) attending the same conference. Or is World Nut Daily not taking that path?
I know this is going to shock 'true conservatives' but sometimes solutions to problems can come from different parts of society and not just Republicans.
Such a request goes beyond anything I've seen Quix do over the past couple of years.
He tends to attack the integrity of the poster rather than the material.
Have you ever met even one person who was half as morally superior as yourslf?
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