The Perfect Electric Car?

TecheBlog ^ | December 26, 2006

[2ndDivisionVet]

Phoenix Motorcars has developed what could possibly be the perfect electric car. Classified as a Sport Utility Truck (SUT), this vehicle “can cruise on the freeway at up to 95 m.p.h. while carrying five passengers and a full payload.”

The Phoenix Motorcars SUV will be introduced in late 2007, having a range of 130 miles, and can be recharged in less than 10 minutes with an off-board charging unit or trickle-charged overnight when plugged into a 220V power source, similar to the SUT. The estimated cost to recharge the battery pack is a small fraction of equivalent gasoline costs.

Phoenix is currently working on an expanded battery pack that will allow a 250 mile range, still permitting a 10 minute charge and available in late 2007

[2ndDivisionVet]

Too good to be true?

[Jeff Chandler]

“can cruise on the freeway at up to 95 m.p.h. while carrying five passengers and a full payload.”

That's fine for the slow lane.

[Stoat]

Looks nice....needs a flame paintjob, spinning rims and a big blower coming up out of the hood (even though it wouldn't be connected to anything)

hehehe!

 

Electric Cars, Green Vehicle Phoenix Motorcars, Inc.

 

 

Phoenix Motorcars manufactures zero-emission, freeway-speed fleet vehicles. It is an early leader in the mass production of full function, green electric trucks and SUVs for commercial fleet use. Based in Ontario, California, Phoenix Motorcars uses the NanoSafe™ battery, a non-toxic, all-battery solution to eliminate noise and toxic vehicle emissions that contribute to air pollution.

Green Fleet Advantages:

• Zero emissions
• All-battery power - NanoSafe™ production battery pack system
• 100+ miles per charge
• Speeds of 95 m.p.h. carrying five passengers and full payload
• High torque: 0 to 60 m.p.h. in 10 seconds
• Long battery pack life: 250,000 miles/12+ years
• Off board charger: 10 minutes to recharge to 95% capacity
• On board charger: 6 hours to recharge from 220V plug-in
• California Air Resources Board (CARB)-Certified
• Available configurations:
  • Mid-Size 4-Door Pickup (SUT)
  • Mid-Size SUV

Also..

[endthematrix]

http://www.phoenixmotorcars.com/index.html

480 foot pounds of torque!

[greasepaint]

battery life and battery-replacement-cost,
is the limiting factor in electric cars,

not,
range, or cost of electricity

[endthematrix]

Altairnano Completes $750,000 Battery Pack Shipment for Phoenix Motorcars
Thursday December 28, 12:32 pm ET

"Altairnano provides nano-Titanate based batteries that are used in two battery pack configurations: a 35 KWh and a 70 KWh NanoSafe pack. The 35 and 70 KWh NanoSafe packs provide sufficient power and energy for a fleet vehicle to travel up to 130 or 250 miles, respectively, with a top speed of over 100 mph. Both NanoSafe battery packs can be recharged in less than 10 minutes using an industrial 480 volt battery charging platform. The NanoSafe battery packs can also be charged over longer periods of time when using typical 120 or 240 volt power sources. An on-board charger is standard equipment for both the Phoenix SUT and SUV vehicles."

http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/061228/0198524.html

[LtKerst]

Not one single word as to how much it will cost to charge it up? how can you compare it to a gas car?

it might cost 3 cents to charge a cell phone,,,and 100$ to charge the car?

how stupid can you be to not catch this???

How much polution is caused By the coal fired Electric plant to make the electricity?


not one word as to the polution caused to create the electricity.

Electric Cars are a Liberal scam.

[DB]

To charge in 10 minutes it would have to take something like 100,000+ watts of electricity.

130 miles at 65 MPH takes 2 hours. If it takes an average of 15 horsepower to travel at 65 MPH (a guess) that is 11,186 watts for 2 hours or a total of 22,371 kW/hours of electricity for the trip. To charge the batteries with 22,371 kW/hours of electrical energy in 10 minutes it would require 134,226 watts of power for 10 minutes. A typical new house service is 200 amps and provides 48,000 watts (240 Volts x 200 amps). At 240 Volts it would take 559.28 amps to charge the car in 10 minutes... And all of the above are assuming no losses...

Yikes!

The only way that would be practical would be to have even more batteries that charge more slowly over the day that are then used to charge the car at very high power levels over a shorter time.

[alpo]

If you put a generator and a 50 gallon gas tank in the back you could drive for a couple of days...

[DB]

Sorry, make those "kW/Hours" units "W/Hours" or change the comma to a decimal point for those two numbers... The watt numbers are still correct (the math is correct).

[Stoat]

Not one single word as to how much it will cost to charge it up? how can you compare it to a gas car?

You can't, with the data they are supplying at the moment.

it might cost 3 cents to charge a cell phone,,,and 100$ to charge the car?

Until they get the technology and concept to the point where the public will accept it and a network of charging stations is built the cost will be prohibitive...that's why they're pursuing the fleet market first.  Fewer stations are needed to service a volume, centralized customer.

how stupid can you be to not catch this???

You weren't addressing moi with that statement, were you?  :-)

How much polution is caused By the coal fired Electric plant to make the electricity?

A lot, and it's something that electric car proponents don't like to talk about.

As has been mentioned in this thread, the major problem has been battery cost and service life.  Also there's that little matter of what do you do with a TON of spent batteries every few years?  Recycle?  Depends on the battery type and I don't believe that it's cost effective with current batteries.

not one word as to the polution caused to create the electricity.

That wouldn't help to sell their product to investors.

Electric Cars are a Liberal scam.

They have been up to this point at least.  We'll have to see if the performance lives up to the advertising and hype.  It never has in previous electric car efforts.

[ReignOfError]

I'll believe it when I can test-drive it. Electric motors are pretty mature technology, the physics are pretty well hashed out, and while it's possible someone has found a huge breakthrough, I'm extremely dubious.

Until I see it run, and have a credible third party test the claims, I'll put it on the wish list with the Moller flying car and my own pet unicorn.

[DB]

Please #10 too.

[greasepaint]

WTF are you talking about?

35 kwh battery pack, if fully used, at 10 cents per kilowat-hour,
costs 3.50 USD to charge, at a typical 'milage'
of three miles per kwh, to go 100 miles
......
is you believe them

[preacher]

State & federal taxes on gasoline account for twenty to forty cents per gallon of gasoline. If these cars don't use gasoline then shouldn't they be taxed somehow to make that up?. Most of that tax money is dedicated to highway construction & maintenance.

[greasepaint]

the politician that suggests, per-miles-tax on cars,
is dead meat

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

They're only a liberal scam if they need huge taxpayer subsidies. Technologies aren't political -- but, new technologies developed by free-enterprise seem more like a conservative value, than a liberal scam.

Would you rather continue running your vehicle on Mideast oil, or would you prefer to use electricity generated from U.S. coal?

[DB]

From post #6 the car uses either a 30kW/h or 70kW/h battery.

So it probably takes about 33kW/h of electricity to charge the smaller (130 mile) battery. At $0.15 a kW/h that is about $5 to charge the battery.

[ReignOfError]

Electric Cars are a Liberal scam.

Not necessarily. As technology improves, coal plants get cleaner, and cleaner fuels become more cost-effective. It's more feasible to upgrade hundreds or thousands of electric plants than to upgrade millions of vehicles.

Pure-electric vehicles, if feasible (which they haven't been yet, and I'm dubious of this one) would narrow the problem set. Point-source pollution, e.g. factories and power plants, is easier to control than non-point-source pollution, e.g. individual vehicles and folks dumping used motor oil down the storm sewer.

Right now, we're locked into gasoline for passenger vehicles, with diesel and methane making some inroads and biofuels barely at the toddler phase; put cars on the grid, and we're talking about opening up all those fuels plus nuclear, solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, and whatever comes next. All without having to replace your car when the next thing comes along.

[DB]

Nuke power.

Then it all makes sense.