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Vatican Denounces Saddam's Execution as 'Tragic'
Fox News ^ | Saturday, December 30, 2006 | Fox News

Posted on 12/30/2006 12:24:39 PM PST by indcons

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Serious question - did the Vatican ever condemn Saddam's atrocities while he was in power?
1 posted on 12/30/2006 12:24:42 PM PST by indcons
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They better focus on how much better the life would be were saddam aborted about 70 years ago.


2 posted on 12/30/2006 12:26:15 PM PST by GSlob
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A blast from the (recent) past: Vatican, Catholic officials say "don't hang Saddam"

Sorry, Vatican bureaucrats. He did deserve to die despite your misplaced sympathies.
3 posted on 12/30/2006 12:26:22 PM PST by indcons (The Koran - the world's first WMD.)
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The execution was tragic . . . . . . . . that it didn't happen decades earlier.


4 posted on 12/30/2006 12:27:00 PM PST by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
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To: indcons
The Vatican is being doctrinally true.

That being said, the execution of Saddam Hussein was legally right.

5 posted on 12/30/2006 12:27:25 PM PST by Alia
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Taking a life can be justified in self defense or protection of the innocent from immediate harm.

taking a life as punishment for a crime is pretty clearly not something that would make into the Big Book of WWJD.

6 posted on 12/30/2006 12:29:15 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (Thank you, St. Jude.)
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To: indcons

With respect, Holy See, sometimes Man is entirely justified in expediting the onset of God's Justice. This was such a time.


7 posted on 12/30/2006 12:29:26 PM PST by Unmarked Package (Amazing surprises await us under cover of a humble exterior.)
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To: Alia

Perhaps, if the Vatican would stop changing its own doctrine, I might care what they say. Would the people now condemning the hanging have preferred the old Catholic burning at the stake, as opposed to the hanging?


8 posted on 12/30/2006 12:31:06 PM PST by nopardons
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That's because the doctine is stupid and wrong.

The judge does not bears a sword in vain...

9 posted on 12/30/2006 12:31:44 PM PST by JasonC
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taking a life as punishment for a crime is pretty clearly not something that would make into the Big Book of WWJD.

The Bible gives governments the authority for capital punishment.

10 posted on 12/30/2006 12:32:13 PM PST by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
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Correct. The Church must protest the death penalty. Failure to do so would be seen as implicit approval.

Executions are allowed if truly necessary, however the protest must be raised.

Temporal justice has been carried out. It is out of our hands now.


11 posted on 12/30/2006 12:33:18 PM PST by AK2KX
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To: indcons

The Vatican usually does not take political positions, particularly in the case of Muslim majority countries. However, I would suspect that what we are hearing from now is the "Cardinal Martino" wing of the Church - Martino was at the UN for many years - since Catholic doctrine does not forbid the death penalty. The Post-VatII doctrine simply says that it should be applied only when there is no other way to keep a dangerous person from killing others. And this was clearly the case with Saddam, who, had he lived, would have become a rallying point for his followers and would probably have ended up in charge of Iraq again.


12 posted on 12/30/2006 12:33:31 PM PST by livius
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Ruh-roh that's gonna leave a mark.


13 posted on 12/30/2006 12:33:36 PM PST by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
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Their position has been that if there is a chance of the murderer escaping and committing more murders (as with poorly constructed prisons from which prisoners can escape), then capital punishment is permissible.

In this case, the Sunnis could regain power and release him, and even put him back in charge of the country.

The best argument I ever read was also along these lines, from Ann Coulter: Even if the murderers would, under Republicans and other sensible people, otherwise get a life sentence with no chance of parole, it's better to execute them just in case the Democrats somehow get in control and release them.

14 posted on 12/30/2006 12:34:26 PM PST by firebrand
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Bingo! Your post is right on it.


15 posted on 12/30/2006 12:35:32 PM PST by Alia
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"But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."

Romans, 13:4

16 posted on 12/30/2006 12:36:14 PM PST by JasonC
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What?

I wish the Vatican were as sympathetic to the victims of Saddam's torture and purges. Don't recall a SINGLE statement from the Vatican that ever condemned Saddam's death penalties.


17 posted on 12/30/2006 12:37:28 PM PST by indcons (The Koran - the world's first WMD.)
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Seems to me that somewhere in the OT it says that exection is ok ... about how if you murder by man so will you also be killed (in the 10 Commandments the word 'kill' should be translated as 'murder" - malice) ...maybe the Holy Father should re-read it ....


18 posted on 12/30/2006 12:37:29 PM PST by SkyDancer ("The Americans on Flight 93 did more to counter terrorism than the Democrats have done in 4 years")
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To: indcons

This is an easy way for the Vatican to suck up to the Islamofacists. It doesn't cost them anything, and it certainly doesn't help Saddam. The fact that it's a groveling piece of lick-spittle dishonesty, well, the Vatican has learned many "diplomatic tricks" in its long and often dishonorable history.


19 posted on 12/30/2006 12:37:57 PM PST by samtheman
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The problem, I think lies with the rending of the garment, so to speak, no pardons. There are faux Roman Catholics among the flock who pretend to speak for the Vatican, but don't. I don't really wish for the church and state to be as one, as my ancestors fought it tooth and nail in England long ago. ;>


20 posted on 12/30/2006 12:38:26 PM PST by Alia
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