Bipartisan Effort to Draft Immigration Bill

NY Times ^ | 12/26/2006 | By RACHEL L. SWARNS

[Chesner]

WASHINGTON, Dec. 25 — Counting on the support of the new Democratic majority in Congress, Democratic lawmakers and their Republican allies are working on measures that could place millions of illegal immigrants on a more direct path to citizenship than would a bill that the Senate passed in the spring.

The lawmakers are considering abandoning a requirement in the Senate bill that would compel several million illegal immigrants to leave the United States before becoming eligible to apply for citizenship.

The lawmakers are also considering denying financing for 700 miles of fencing along the border with Mexico, a law championed by Republicans that passed with significant Democratic support.

[texastoo]

I didn't understand your link or either the pages have changed. Deportes means sports in Spanish.

[elpinta]

Thank you for your kind words.
Wish I was here a long time ago... then I would have died while the US was, well, the way it was when I wanted to move here!
This is not the USA I moved to... and I am too old to do much else but gripe.

[TomGuy]

How incredibly naive.

No. It is naive to think you can vote the same ole back in and expect a different result.

[LowOiL]

I didn't understand your link or either the pages have changed. Deportes means sports in Spanish.

Sorry about that, this was the picture on their main page I meant... and I must be honest I don't know Spainish and must use the Google translator to read the pages.

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Google Translator link (just copy and paste the URL in)

[Lancey Howard]

....and will vote Dem because they will give up these goodies way more willingly than Republicans and economics greedy selfishness usually trumps such issues as abortion,gay marriage,gun rights,etc.once they get in the voting booth.

There. Fixed it.

[photodawg]

Let me guess. You blame conservative's for Bubba's win in 92 as well. Its NEVER the GOP's fault that their crummy candidate disgusted the base. Its those idiot conservatives. Don't they know the RNC owns their votes?? (sarcasm off)

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No let me guess, you voted for Perot and don't feel responsible for eight years of Clinton because George H.W. Bush had the nerve to say read my lips, no new taxes. the Perot vote would have made Bush (former CIA director and commander in Chief of dessert storm) president. Do you seriously think he would have fought terrorism the way Clinton didn't for eight years. You're damn right I blame the ideological holier than thou purists in the conservative movement with our demise. And what's worse you went and did the same f-ing thing again 14 years later. Now my children and grand children have to reap what you have sown. You probably even thought an Arkansas democrat was a better candidate than a war hero lifetime public servant republican Texas oil man anyway and were happy Clinton got in if Perot couldn't.

[elpinta]

"... a lot of those "good" value illegals take their cue from the church..."
And now we have the 3-legs of the equation!
They are Politics, Business, AND Religion.
When they are honest, they work great, but when they are corrupt.... well, just sit tight.

[Lancey Howard]

....immigrants that did it right become upright, conservative (were to begin with), and hard working (were to begin with) Americans. Also I can tell you that immigrants that came over to milk the system become/stay parasites, and so are their families, not by choice, but by example.

If only there was some way we could separate the likely Republicans from the likely Democrats.

[elpinta]

"...separate the likely Republicans from the likely Democrats..."

May not make a lot of difference in the future, either side sells out their followers just as easily!

Post 19.

[photodawg]

Bush and many other Republicans have the same views as most democrats when it comes to illegal immigration. Bush would give every illegal immigrant amnesty if he could do it without taking any heat. Bush is not any better than democrats when it comes to the biggest problem facing this country. I will never vote for anyone who doesn't take illegal immigration serious. The nation will be destroyed no matter what if the immigration problem isn't solved.

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Bush did not run in 06. Which democrats did you help elect that were anti illegal immigration and wont vote democrat party line to prove it? Which republicans did you oppose who were pro illegals. Now that you elected a democrat congress how did that help the fight against illegal immigration? Folks, the party matters. It really matters. They are like gangs you got to choose one or the other. You can fight among yourselves behind closed doors but you can't support the other gang to win an argument. that's gangsta treason my friend. You hand the enemy the weapon to defeat you. You are either in the Patriotic American love the flag gang or you are with the hate America commie pacifist gang. You just got to choose one or the other, there is no in between

[FlingWingFlyer]

Wait until the employers have to start paying union wages to these amnestas traveling along "the path to citizenship." We'll have to bring in a whole new batch of illegals to do the jobs the amnestas don't want to do.

I wonder what the union wage is for a "landscaper" or pool boy.

[ZULU]

TRANSLATION: Now that the elections are over and we won't need the sheeple for another two to four years, we can spit in their faces, and let in the illegals to help our big corporate buddies and special interest groups. We can also let the price of petroleum products rise to their former levels - which they are doing now if nobody noticed.

BOTH political parties have abandoned the American electorate. The Dems did decades ago and the liberal RINOs are doing their best to exdpediate the Repubulicans along the same path.

If a RINO gets nominated in 2008, it will be time for all true Americans to gete behind another third party - one which cares about the constitution, the American people, and campaign promises.

[texastoo]

and I must be honest I don't know Spainish and must use the Google translator to read the pages.

There is nothing wrong with using a translator. I know a little Spanish but not enough so I use a translator also. Most of my Spanish is Tex-Mex or Spanglish.

[Common Tator]

100 years ago this nation was swamped with illegal immigrants.

Day after say ships full of Italians arrived on our shores. The law then in effect required them to have written permission from Italy to immigrate to the USA. The law also required them to have a valid birth certificate.

The paper required from the Italian goverment needed to state that the person had never been convicted of a crime and was an upstanding citizen of Italy.

But every day ship after ship of people of Italian exraction arrieved at Ellis Island. They did not have the forms showing that they were law abiding citizens of Italy.

What did we do? First of all we called them WOPS...WOP stands for immigrants With Out Papers.

What did we do with these people With Out Papers? We asked them if they were a good citizen of Italy and if they were born in Italy. If they said yes to both questions they were allowed to enter, live, and work in the USA.

If they did not know how to answer the two questions, they were told in Italian to say the word "YES" in response to each of the two questions.

Illegal immigration is nothing new. We needed cheap labor 100 years ago, and we let illegal immigrants in.

Back then it was the Democratic candidates such as William Jennings Bryan who supported closing the borders to illegal immigrants. Bryan ran for president 3 times. He was defeated 3 times.

[elpinta]

BIG difference: back then most of them were hard working people with no criminal inclinations or history.
Today is different, as their intent and backgrounds are different, that is the problem!
Statistics abound today, reflecting on history as well as on current events.

[photodawg]

No. It is naive to think you can vote the same ole back in and expect a different result.

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You sir are an idiot. You just voted in the commies and the muslims and the pacifists so you could get a different result than what you had. What result did you get that was an improvement on what you had before. You succeeded in worsening what you had before. Both immigration and the war are demonstrably worse now than they were with the other guys in there. We will watch the next 2 years produce amnesty and increased terror, most likely on American soil. Is that an improvement? In effect you gave the twelve year old the keys to the corvette because you thought his father was driving too slow.

[TomGuy]

the party matters

Let's see. You have a Dem new majority congress pushing amnesty for illegals. You a GOP new minority congress most of whom are pushing amnesty for illegals. And you have a GOP president who has been pushing amnesty for illegals since the day he got in office.

Recount:

Amnesty was stopped shortly after 9-11-01 because of the attacks. It was stopped on a technicality by Senator Robert Byrd. He is a Democrat.

Amnesty passed the Senate in 2006 and the majority party was Republican. That bill was stopped by the Republican House with Dems voting to make it a bipartisan bill.

So what is the distinction? Exactly how does party really matter -- on this issue?

[elpinta]

And now, supporting the view that big business is in this deal, read this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1758429/posts

[texastoo]

Back then it was the Democratic candidates such as William Jennings Bryan who supported closing the borders to illegal immigrants. Bryan ran for president 3 times. He was defeated 3 times.

Let us not forget Nelson Rockefeller, the liberal Republican who supported open borders also ran for president 3 times and was defeated 3 times. IIRC, he died in the arms of his mistress and was buried within 24 hours of his death. Can we all say "almost Republican scandal"? LOL

[elpinta]

"...So what is the distinction? Exactly how does party really matter -- on this issue?..."

There is little distinction, is just a matter of how fast the nasty stuff flushes (the common people like us).

Is like an automaker offering brand X and brand Y, both junk.
Eventually, you get tired and go to a different automaker.
Not sure what options are available in the real world of 'leadership' but I am sure somebody is not 'all that' corrupt!