Bipartisan Effort to Draft Immigration Bill

NY Times ^ | 12/26/2006 | By RACHEL L. SWARNS

[Chesner]

WASHINGTON, Dec. 25 — Counting on the support of the new Democratic majority in Congress, Democratic lawmakers and their Republican allies are working on measures that could place millions of illegal immigrants on a more direct path to citizenship than would a bill that the Senate passed in the spring.

The lawmakers are considering abandoning a requirement in the Senate bill that would compel several million illegal immigrants to leave the United States before becoming eligible to apply for citizenship.

The lawmakers are also considering denying financing for 700 miles of fencing along the border with Mexico, a law championed by Republicans that passed with significant Democratic support.

[elpinta]

"Sometimes I think it's too late for the America I love."

As an immigrant, I have this thoughts too FRiend, just hope we are really wrong, because the outcome could be a life just like what I left behind in a 3rd world toilet.

[Dante3]

I know how you feel. Maybe there is still hope. Many people have commented that they don't know what to do and wish there was some way to organize effectively the opposition to amnesty.

[FlingWingFlyer]

"...measures that could place millions of illegal immigrants on a more direct path to citizenship..."

I don't think amnesty was what most Americans had in mind when they started talking about "immigration reform." All amnesty is going to do is boost the "poverty rate" in my country and add to the number of people who need "free" healthcare. This isn't a good move. We tried this "path to citizenship" crap back in the 80s and it only made matters worse.

[ckilmer]

Oh please God have mercy on us.

[Holden Magroin]

George Bush can go to hell. All the Bushbots who think he is the greatest conservative of all time need to wake up and smell the coffee. Bush and his RINO friends in Congress are conspiring to underenforce the borders in order to increase the illegal alien population. He does not give two craps if his own party becomes a permanent minority. He probably thinks God told him to open the borders.

[LowOiL]

My money would be on Jeff Sessions....the ONLY one who talks common sense.

Glad to see my emails to my representative have paid off. Yes Sessions does seem to be one of the few in the country to hold his ground. Shelby ain't too bad either.

[Msgt USMC]

Thomas Jefferson said citizens have the right to over throw the government, when it no longer represents the will of the people. "ARE WE THERE YET"?

[muawiyah]

Any Democrat who believes 12 million new Mexican voters are not going to vote in their own ethnically pure fellows is nuts.

Those guys up in Ms Nancy's district would vote in a real man with real cojones and start bashing the gay crowd for real.

[TomGuy]

who wouldn't return republicans to power because

But you have to get their attention some how.

The GOP has been deaf to the conservative base.

If you vote for the same (GOP), you are only going to get more of the same.

The key is for the House. Do the Dems want to retain it? If the House Dems pass amnesty, they will be out of power in 08. They know that. They may not be as stupid as the Pubbies seem to be. Some House Dems have already indicated that amnesty is NOT a done-deal, even though GW hopes it is.

[upchuck]

Otherwise, we may need another American war of independance to get a government run by patriots.

IMHO, unfortunately, you may be right.

This is something I've thought about a lot and mentioned a little bit here on FR. I call it the Second American Revolution.

I'm convinced there's enough discontent out here in flyover country that this may have legs. But I wonder what will start it. And when will it start. And what form it will take.

I pray that whenever and however it starts that it is bloodless.

[Lancey Howard]

Is there a study somewhere that shows that Mexicans who become citizens and then voters in this country are athiests, parasites, and losers who would therefore, naturally, vote Democrat? I wonder if many of them are honest, hard-working, family-oriented traditionalists who would therefore, naturally, vote Republican?

[LowOiL]

If it makes you feel better that free republic isn't responsible than knock yourself out. I am referring to conservative republican Americans who wouldn't return republicans to power because they were teaching them a lesson.

Your defination of republican and theirs is probable different. Because RINO's have turned this party into a laughing stock we got what "we" deserved. BTW... how many years has "R"'s held the control? Only when they knew they were about to be thrown out on their tiny shiny hineys did they ever attempt to do anything about the border.

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? -- Romans 6:1-2

[RFEngineer]

"just like what I left behind in a 3rd world toilet."

Indeed you would know. Anyone who has travelled to a big city in the third world knows.....the social problems and the corruption are just too big to solve.....too big to even comprehend, much less have meaninful compassion for.

The problems are also too big for our Constitution to survive.

Shanty-town voters won't care about conservatism or the Constitution, they'll care only about who is going to give them the most. Our democracy will, out of necessity, have to be perverted to marginalize the hopeless voter, so that their vote truly is meaningless. Which of course will be the end of the line for freedom as we know it.

It may well be too late already, as GWB will not stop until this legacy, as evil as it is, is secure. There will be many millions more that will follow, looking for, and probably getting THEIR amnesty in a few years.

Yet, if people, like you, have never seen it, they will never believe it would be possible until they are living under a piece of corrugated tin themselves.

[WatchingInAmazement]

The lawmakers are also considering denying financing for 700 miles of fencing along the border with Mexico, a law championed by Republicans that passed with significant Democratic support.

There is the part that should send chills down the spine of anyone. These corrupt dogs are going to totally ignore law passed by large majoriy of our elected officials. Just wave their hands, and poof! gone! That's a lot more frightening than the scary number of illegals were going to throw instant citizenship on.

[ThermoNuclearWarrior]

Bush and many other Republicans have the same views as most democrats when it comes to illegal immigration. Bush would give every illegal immigrant amnesty if he could do it without taking any heat. Bush is not any better than democrats when it comes to the biggest problem facing this country. I will never vote for anyone who doesn't take illegal immigration serious. The nation will be destroyed no matter what if the immigration problem isn't solved.

[elpinta]

"Thomas Jefferson said citizens have the right to over throw the government, when it no longer represents the will of the people..."

Is just like 'jury nullification' so may be legal and constitutional, but, but, how do you overcome the legions of armed supporters of a corrupt government that relatively speaking, is just getting noticed?

The US is not like so many countries where the people have lived in a pressure cooker for years if not centuries; this mess is just now starting, so it will take time I think, and one of the reasons is that way too many people are making a lot of money out of the economic system, and while they do so, what do they care! The rest that sort-of make it, are OK with it because they mostly come from worst situations.

[dennisw]

Being a legal lawful upright immigrant you know what the score is, better than most Americans. Who are naive, soft touches, when it comes to this nation being invaded by the 3rd world

I don't want America to become like Venezuela or Argentina or Cuba or Mexico

[longtermmemmory]

Bipartisan Effort to Draft Immigration AMENESTY Bill:
RINOs and Left wing democrats caclulate rewards to illegal aliens



putting it any other way is just a lie,
but the NYT is used to lying.

[TomGuy]

Thomas Jefferson said citizens have the right to over throw the government, when it no longer represents the will of the people. "ARE WE THERE YET"?

Some strong signals were sent in Nov 06. And the losers cried and whined that the conservatives were at fault.

Typical. But, if you don't vote for change, you are only going to get more of the same.

Heck. Give the House Dems a chance. Pubbies have been in charge for 12 years and look at the state of affairs.

If the House Dems don't do any better, vote them out in 08.

[A. Pole]

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