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ABANDONED PROPERTY: Legislator seeks windfall for state
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 25 Dec 06 | Sean Whaley

Posted on 12/25/2006 9:13:03 AM PST by rellimpank

He says expired gift card money should flow to treasury

Incoming freshman Assemblyman Ruben Kihuen, a Las Vegas Democrat, would like to see expiring gift card money flow to the state treasury by defining it as abandoned property. Photo by Jeff Scheid.

CARSON CITY -- Incoming freshman Assemblyman Ruben Kihuen went out to dinner with a friend recently, planning to use a $100 gift card he had received last year as a Christmas gift to pay for the meal.

To Kihuen's dismay, the gift card had expired, meaning the high-end restaurant that issued the card had received a $100 windfall at the expense of the gift card giver.

Kihuen, a Las Vegas Democrat, said he would like to change this practice and instead have expired gift card money flow to the state treasury by defining it as abandoned property.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: escheat; revenooers
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To: rellimpank

I think gift card expirations should be outlawed. They get cash...you should get a service, no matter how long it takes. Why the government should get it instead of you is absurd. Just shows you how politicians are always thinking about how to grab more of your money.


61 posted on 12/25/2006 10:58:57 AM PST by Hildy (Words are mere bubbles of water...but deeds are drops of gold.)
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To: Bernard

I have a hell of a time throwing away an empty coffee can. The traditional metal ones, the newer plastic ones, it doesn't matter. They are useful for so many things.


62 posted on 12/25/2006 11:00:15 AM PST by Freedom4US (u)
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To: TaMoDee

How about coupons? They usually expire after a year, or six months. Not in California? Hm.. Road trip!! /s

Checks usually go stale after a time period, even government ones at 6 months. I got a refund from a well-known coin hobbyist magazine once, whose checks had no expiration date. I thought that was pretty cool.


63 posted on 12/25/2006 11:04:45 AM PST by Freedom4US (u)
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To: digger48

Gift cards can be donated to service personel if you do not want it. Just give it to the cashier and tell them you want to donate it to a service person. They will get it to them.


64 posted on 12/25/2006 11:08:53 AM PST by Excellence (Vote Dhimmocrat; Submit for Peace! (Bacon bits make great confetti.))
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To: rellimpank
Incoming freshman Assemblyman Ruben Kihuen, a Las Vegas Democrat,...

People of Las Vegas: Why did you vote for this Communist? ... was it that "D" behind his name?

65 posted on 12/25/2006 11:15:33 AM PST by bimbo
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To: muawiyah
BTW, and this is a warning ~ I've had considerable experience with all the major cell phone companies throughout the United States. The cheating, lieing, good-for-nothing, robber-baron, bottom feeding, scum-sucking slimeballs at Cingular appear to be the most responsive and honest in the lot. So, beware.

Now THAT'S what I call an endorsement!

66 posted on 12/25/2006 11:18:19 AM PST by realpatriot (Some spelling errers entionally included!)
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To: TaMoDee
In California there can be no expiration of a gift card.

MA too. Restaurants get around it by calling it an appreciation card.

67 posted on 12/25/2006 11:23:02 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: discostu
The expire them because gift cards are a bookkeeping nightmare (trying to keep track of all the accounts and their balances), and more importantly a liability (you now owe product to somebody) and nobody wants to carry more liability than they have too.

I cannot disagree, but that leaves this question out there: why do they push the use of these cards so heavily?

68 posted on 12/25/2006 11:25:14 AM PST by bimbo
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To: rellimpank
My wife received a letter from the credit union in San Diego. She has $65 in the account and hadn't used the account in a few years. The credit union sent a notice of "escheatment". In short, if she didn't make a written request to receive her money and close the account, the credit union was going to hand the money over the the county government. Seems pretty silly as they had her mailing address. A simple check and announcement of account closure would have been reasonable. The threat to hand her money over the a government agency was ridiculous. She signed the notice and received her money last week.

I have a Starbucks gift card in my wallet. I received it just about the time I went on an Atkins diet. Most Starbucks stuff is loaded with sugar, so I didn't do anything with the card. I really couldn't do anything with the card anyway because the only time I saw a Starbucks was at airports. There wasn't one in the town where I live. That is finally changing. Fred Meyers just added a Starbucks inside and the first standalone Starbucks has been built in Chubbuck. Due to open soon. I have no idea if my card will be honored.

The bottom line with respect to "expiration" is that there is a level of cost to the merchant to maintain the records of the gift card. It isn't reasonable to force them to maintain such records in perpetuity. Banks put 6 month limits on cashing checks. Accounts that aren't used start getting "service fees" to cover the cost of maintaining the records because the bank can't make enough money on the remaining amount to cover their costs. The credit union in San Diego that holds my IRA is perfectly happy to sit on that large wad of cash. No fees. It just keeps growing.

69 posted on 12/25/2006 11:28:43 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Excellence

If I can find that thing, or get anything similar in the future, I'll do just that.

Thanks for that info!


70 posted on 12/25/2006 11:32:10 AM PST by digger48
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To: discostu; technomage; ndt
Every business of any size carries an "Allowance for Doubtful Accounts" to cover accounts receivable which might not get paid. It takes a mere similar amount of work to cover old gift cards which might get redeemed.

The proof is that there are more than a few businesses which offer gift cards with no expiration dates. Staples is one and, as such, I buy and gift their cards without reservation.

I stand by my statement that businesses with expiring gift cards are greedy-- they are getting something of value up front and then taking it away in what may or may not be a reasonable time frame.

Yeah, in the list of irritations, this type of greed ranks well behind the government thinking they own it, but it is greed nevertheless. By engaging in this type of greedy activity, businesses condone and invite government intervention and, therefore, a "solution" which is worse than the problem. Businesses who have their workers labor under unsafe conditions, do not deliver a fair day's pay for a fair day's work and concentrate on what they can legally get away with rather than what's morally right do likewise.

Conservatives need to be equally loud in advocating ethical behavior among businesses as they do among governments. Winking at, nodding at and excusing unethical business behavior empowers liberals to apply their phony solutions with the iron fist of government which, coincidentally, always result in problems worse than what they set out to cure. I'm reasonably sure that the gentleman who's birthday we celebrate today would agree.

71 posted on 12/25/2006 11:49:53 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: rellimpank

The gift cards should never expire.


72 posted on 12/25/2006 11:54:34 AM PST by mysterio
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To: beelzepug
I really dislike the arrogant Howard Schultz but I like the coffee and it would seem that millions of others do, too. Oddly enough, we don't all have the same tastes. Imagine that.

LOL Everyone having the same tastes would make this a boring world.

73 posted on 12/25/2006 12:24:11 PM PST by madison10
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To: Freedom4US

Nope Coupons are not covered. The idea that you or someone gave a company money and received an in-kind card/slip or whatever for the cash. Your "whatever" in your hand is the same as cash to that company.
A coupon is not that type of instrument.


74 posted on 12/25/2006 12:50:35 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: rellimpank

Gee, nothing socialistic, predatory, confiscatory or anti-American about this . . . . . .


75 posted on 12/25/2006 12:51:10 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Balding_Eagle
It's very simple. Because the Bank was the one who put itself at risk to 'store' the money in the first place.

Banks don't "store" your money, they SELL your money.

76 posted on 12/25/2006 1:11:39 PM PST by lewislynn (!)
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To: digger48

I don't know what you're drinking but it isn't Starbucks coffee. And I can't imagine where you get the idea that a cup of coffee at Starbucks costs four dollars.
I think you just like to piss and moan because it reflects your personality.


77 posted on 12/25/2006 1:48:47 PM PST by em2vn
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To: Fishtalk
I went out to the farm one weekend and found 20 head of cattle and a mule eating my grass, drinking my water, and contained by my electric fence. I called the sheriff and asked what I could do. He said if I didn't find the owner and wanted them off the land, they (the sheriff's department) would get them and sell them off with the money going to the state children's home.

I asked if I could keep one as reimbursement for the grass, water, and electricity. Nope, if I took one of the cows, that would be "rustling" and they WOULD charge me.
78 posted on 12/25/2006 1:52:40 PM PST by Stegall Tx ("FR is sustenance." {July 4 on 16 November})
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To: Nathan Zachary

Working people are lackeys? When did that take place. Aren't you really just pissed at life and Starbucks is an easy target for your anger.
You sound like the guy in high school who pronounced the pretties girl in school a slut, the smartest guy a dumb ass and the nicest person a suck up.
Nothing can satisfy dicks like you.


79 posted on 12/25/2006 1:52:52 PM PST by em2vn
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To: Nathan Zachary

Only a Marxist homosexual would buy Starbucks' coffee!


80 posted on 12/25/2006 1:55:27 PM PST by durasell (!)
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