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Susan Estrich, a former Dukakis campaign manager, sinks her fangs into Virgil Goode. So, consider the source.

While I'm not convinced that Congressman Goode handled this perfectly, he raised a very interesting point. Americans don't like Islam and a recent Rasmussen Reports poll found that about 60% of American voters would NEVER vote for a Muslim, right up there with those who wouldn't vote for an atheist.

1 posted on 12/25/2006 7:21:44 AM PST by Princip. Conservative
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To: Princip. Conservative
The Koran, unfortunately, has a provision in it that allows Moslems to lie to non-Moslems.

An oath sworn on the Koran is, of course, worthless to a non-Moslem.

2 posted on 12/25/2006 7:25:18 AM PST by muawiyah
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If the koran was good enough for mohammed atta, it should be good enough for Mr. Goode. /s


3 posted on 12/25/2006 7:25:21 AM PST by Salvey (ancest)
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"The Muslim representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district,"

He was elected because the MSM in that town(Minneapolis Star and sickle) refused to tell the people of his back ground. Namely, extreme antisemitism, support of cop killers and a generally extremist history. Had they known he would not of been elected even in this district.
4 posted on 12/25/2006 7:25:26 AM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: Princip. Conservative

Folks like Estrich need to get their eyes checked.
They seem to think that Virgil Goode is George Allen.
They're going to be suprised when no apology or equivocation is
forthcoming after their whining about "Islamophobia".


5 posted on 12/25/2006 7:26:42 AM PST by VOA
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So, if this concept applies that a representative can take the oath on any book he/she wishes...

Does that include Wicca?

or

Mein Kampf?

or maybe Mad Magazine.


6 posted on 12/25/2006 7:31:40 AM PST by Basheva
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Actually the fact that Ellison feels the need to be sworn in on any book is interesting due to the fact that it isn't required or even common as far as I can tell.


8 posted on 12/25/2006 7:33:32 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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Congressman Goode has raised a good point and should stick to it and not back down.


9 posted on 12/25/2006 7:34:32 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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-Islam, a Religion of Peace®? The Most Damning links...--
10 posted on 12/25/2006 7:36:32 AM PST by backhoe (Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderin’ his way across the WWW…)
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More Muslims seeing our government as representative and fair? Is this a bad thing?

Our bloated bureaucratic socialistic government in the modern age is barely representative, and often not fair. That fact aside, I seriously doubt that many Muslims are ever going to see it as representative and fair.

11 posted on 12/25/2006 7:36:50 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Hey! What happened to my tagline?)
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When the public is seeing all the world conflicts involving islamists it's not hard to understand why the majority have a problem with muslims. Secondly, their reactions to 9-11 and refusal to condemn the terrorists just adds to their problems..


12 posted on 12/25/2006 7:38:32 AM PST by vietvet67
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Talk of bigotry is masking the issue here, on both the ill-meaning liberal side and even the good-meaning conservative side. Muslims need to be forced to take a stand. If they prefer Islam and all it's baggage to the American way of life then they need to go to a muslim country (and they can take liberals with them!). If they are American first and are wishing to stay in this country as Americans then they absolutely must stand up against radical Islam, even if they risk retribution from the radicals in their midst. And they've got to get thicker skins. Islam as law is incompatible with any version of the American way of life and muslims need to recognize that. We are at war, the enemy is among us and freedom isn't free.
13 posted on 12/25/2006 7:39:02 AM PST by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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Islam is a flawed religion... and by the actions of many of its followers... a death cult. Those of the faith who abstain from the actions of its fanatics... are often silent or even forgiving of the indescriminate bloodletting.

On the day Goode made these comments, I called his office with words of support. I learned all I want to know about Islam on 9/11.

16 posted on 12/25/2006 7:41:57 AM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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>"What could be less American? Or less Christian?"

Well Suzy I'm glad you axed! The answers are is-Slime, and its murder manual the queeranus!

Any other questions should be addressed to Master of the Obvious!


17 posted on 12/25/2006 7:42:50 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (When true genius appears, know him by this sign: all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.)
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I don't think I'd get much work done if I knew somebody in the room was carrying a book that says stuff like:

KORAN commands to kill infidels:

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43

If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8

You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71

Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74

Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76

But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89

Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67

Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28

Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111

Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....

As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15

Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60

Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14

When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5

Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25

Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29

Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9

The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51

Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. (verse cited in Newsweek 2/11/02)

Source: http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html


18 posted on 12/25/2006 7:43:10 AM PST by KarinG1 (Opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not necessarily represent those of sane people.)
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How long before ellison demands he be called by his muslim name???


23 posted on 12/25/2006 7:55:16 AM PST by hoosierboy (I am not a gun nut, I am a firearm enthusiast!!!)
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Anyone Susan Estrich demonizes can only be good for America. Virgil Goode represents a strong current in American politics. Like Ronald Reagan, he was a loyal American who happened to be a Democrat. Because the Democrat party has increasingly placed party based on socialist ideology before loyalty to God and country, he left the Democrat party. Or as Ronald Reagan said "I didn't leave the Democrat party, it left me." Goode needs to keep reminding voters that the Democrat allegiance to multiculturalism has and will include attempts to appease and even aid moslem militants. A candid answer to who are America's real enemies by Vermont's senators Leaky Leahy and Bernie "the Communist" Sanders would be conservative Republicans, not Islamic Jihadists. A fortunate circumstance for conservative Republicans would be the nomination of Barak "Hussein" Obama (or as mush-brained Teddy Kennedy called him, "Osama Obama") to head the Democrat ticket. Sharing a name with the Butcher of Baghdad will not endear him to most voters.


30 posted on 12/25/2006 8:01:46 AM PST by Combat_Liberalism
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Goode has zero reason to appologize for telling the truth.

The "outrage" of the left is 100% pure fakery to obtain campaign monies for 2008.

The fact is we are not being honest about the fact that radical islam is the dominant, majority, mainstream believer form of that faith.

I am curious where are the other REALY players today like Donna Brazile, Podesta, Pineta, and the rest of the clintonistas.


31 posted on 12/25/2006 8:02:00 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Genesis 16:12 "And he will be a wild ass of a man; His hand will be against everyone, And everyone's hand, against him; And he will settle down opposite all his brothers."

No one has mentioned the real origin of Islam which is Ishmael the son of Abraham conceived through his servant. Abraham and Sarah did not believe God's promise which was that Sarah would bare a son, Isaac. So Sarah convinces Abraham to sleep with the servant. Ishmael was born and Ishmael typifies the flesh. And Genesis 16:12 speaks of the type if man Ishmael is. The Koran speaks of their father Abraham, but the Islamic heretics fail to realize that they are descendants of the flesh!
33 posted on 12/25/2006 8:05:58 AM PST by klimeckg ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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One of the most disturbing facts about Ellison being a muslim is that every muslim in America whom I ever ever seen or heard has proclaimed allegiance to Islam above all else. To that end, I question Ellison's commitment to the United States and his willingness to work in our best interest.

Plus his grandstanding photo opp show 'n tell with the Koran also speaks to his true allegiances. This guy worries me the more I learn about him.


35 posted on 12/25/2006 8:14:41 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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EFF all Muslims Slime.....

and that goes for Barack Hussein Obama(and other pretend christians) and the camel he rode in on.....Goode for President '08

36 posted on 12/25/2006 8:26:16 AM PST by Vaquero (Moderate Islam is Radical Islams Trojan horse in the West)
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