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A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection
University of Auckland Department of Computer Science ^ | 23 December 2006 | Peter Gutmann

Posted on 12/23/2006 5:51:48 PM PST by IncPen

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To: Logophile
Dishonest people imposes costs on all of us.

The rise of MP3s, Napster, and the internet as an information sharing device is the result of a dam of information filled past the point of bursting.

That dam was held in place by legislation which favored monopolistic interests, the market be damned.

I don't steal music or movies, because frankly I think most of what those industries spit out is crap.

But I firmly believe the music, film, video, television and news businesses in this country have no one but themselves to blame for what's happening to them.

And I, for one, am enjoying the hell out of it.

One more thing: it's the thinking that put those industries in the situation that they're in that's going to be the undoing of Bill Gates and his monstrous abominations of software.

21 posted on 12/23/2006 6:26:57 PM PST by IncPen (When Al Gore Finished the Internet, he invented Global Warming)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
Without paying what for it?

Uh, money, as in dollars or Euros. Isn't that the usual way to pay for something?

Who decides a product's value, the market or the marketeers?

The market, of course. But markets are only possible where property rights are respected—and that includes intellectual property, in my opinion.

The file sharing flap was the market telling the marketeers that their product was only worth stealing.

I don't believe so. No one bothers to steal something they do not consider attractive or valuable.

Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns. Merry Christmas.

I don't see how this statement is relevant to my post, but I agree with it anyway. Merry Christmas to you too!

22 posted on 12/23/2006 6:27:03 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Covenantor
As a user, there is simply no escape. Whether you use Windows Vista, Windows XP, Windows 95, Linux, FreeBSD, OS X, Solaris (on x86), or almost any other OS, Windows content protection will make your hardware more expensive, less reliable, more difficult to program for, more difficult to support, more vulnerable to hostile code, and with more compatibility problems

I believe the author is positing his opinion on the caveat that Vista and its attendant protocols take hold of the market.

I'll simply suggest that the Zune is a reliable indicator of what the market thinks of Microsoft and it's nonsensical view of copyright and ownership.

23 posted on 12/23/2006 6:29:33 PM PST by IncPen (When Al Gore Finished the Internet, he invented Global Warming)
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To: rlmorel
That I agree with, but let's face it, even if the majority of people are honest, the dishonest ones can indeed force cost on all of us as a simple result of even a small percentage of dishonest people being a huge number worldwide!

Sad but true. Most people are honest—but I still lock my doors

24 posted on 12/23/2006 6:29:41 PM PST by Logophile
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To: IncPen
I don't steal music or movies, because frankly I think most of what those industries spit out is crap.

Does that mean you would steal music and movies you like?

25 posted on 12/23/2006 6:35:20 PM PST by Logophile
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To: IncPen

This is an easy problem to fix. Don't buy it. Don't buy any computer that has it. Microsoft will change there tune then.


26 posted on 12/23/2006 6:39:07 PM PST by Revel
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To: rlmorel

There are options.


27 posted on 12/23/2006 6:44:30 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: 1234; 6SJ7; Action-America; af_vet_rr; afnamvet; Alexander Rubin; anonymous_user; ...
Interesting speculation on the effects that Vista's content protection might have on computing in general, including Macs. PING!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

28 posted on 12/23/2006 6:45:22 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: IncPen
One hopes. However since the author cites ATI (video card mfr) extensively, it's clear that if multimedia card mfrs. expect the MS certification for their "Vista ready" roll-out, they will be on board to serve the 90% personal computer market. They really don't have much of a choice do they? I mean that's all they really manufacture, no?


With Apple using Intel processors and making available a dual boot system, Apple users will feel the economic pain, if not functional degradation of PCI video cards etc.The question then becomes, "Will a Vista standard mandated hardware card function in an Apple running competitive OS without crippling the machine? Will the MS DRM silicon dongles have a "call home 911' feature accessible by, let's say RIAA, who will then descend on the end user with a platoon of lawyers?

These are legitimate concerns for all computer users, lest they become virtual serfs to MS.

29 posted on 12/23/2006 6:46:16 PM PST by Covenantor
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To: Logophile
Does that mean you would steal music and movies you like?

Of course not.

My comment was made as a dispassionate observer remarking on the reason that the market is what it is, and why the producers and distributors of copyrighted material will deserve to fail.

And why that is a Good Thing.

30 posted on 12/23/2006 6:46:53 PM PST by IncPen (When Al Gore Finished the Internet, he invented Global Warming)
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To: kinoxi

I use a Mac for personal and professional use, but...I use Microsoft products at work in a Medical Imaging (Radiology) envirionment. This has me worried...we have a huge amount of money invested in Microsoft workstations, servers and software, not to mention the absolute dependence our radiologic viewing (PACS) software has on Internet Explorer.


31 posted on 12/23/2006 6:47:40 PM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: Swordmaker

Please add me to your ping list.

Keeping the Timex Sinclair doesn't seem like such a bad idea after all. ;>)


32 posted on 12/23/2006 6:48:23 PM PST by Covenantor
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To: rlmorel

You're stuck with the brand name then.


33 posted on 12/23/2006 6:50:00 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

I guess.

In a corporate envirionment, one doesn't have a choice. That old saw about nobody ever got fired for choosing Microsoft/IBM is true for corporate level IT guys, and I am not sure I would make a different decision.

The third party that makes the image distribution and viewing software (Fuji) is absolutely tied into IE.

That has ALWAYS pissed me off. I thought the whole point of having a web based application was that it could be viewed on any platform.

How naive and wrong I was.


34 posted on 12/23/2006 6:56:15 PM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: IncPen
Of course not.

I am glad to hear it.

My comment was made as a dispassionate observer remarking on the reason that the market is what it is, and why the producers and distributors of copyrighted material will deserve to fail.

All producers and marketers of copyrighted material?

I ask because I write books. My books are published under copyright. Are you saying that I automatically deserve to fail because I do not give away my work free to anyone who wants it?

And why that is a Good Thing.

I keep hearing the same assertion (1 wouln't call it an argument) from people who apparently think it should be their right to enjoy what I produce without paying me for it. They never can explain why I should consider this a Good Thing. Can you?

35 posted on 12/23/2006 6:56:41 PM PST by Logophile
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To: jacquej

This means run OSX. The Bill Gates police wont get you if you dont run that stupid Windows.I dont care if Algore is on the Board as they have been sandal wearing pot smoking since forever, but still the best OS around for me. Of course I am still driving antiques anyway.
barbra ann


36 posted on 12/23/2006 6:56:46 PM PST by barb-tex (Why replace the IRS with anything?)
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To: Covenantor
Please add me to your ping list.

Welcome to the Mac Ping list, Covenantor.

Keeping the Timex Sinclair doesn't seem like such a bad idea after all. ;>)

I give you permission to upgrade to a Commodore 64. It's got better keyboard.

37 posted on 12/23/2006 7:00:52 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

I still got a Commodore 64.

MULE kicked ass.


38 posted on 12/23/2006 7:06:44 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: Logophile

I am with you on this Logophile.

I am a firm believer that there should be some kind of DRM in place. People deserve to get paid for what they do, writing, music, etc.

Even Michael Moore and Barbara Streisand, two people I despise. But they are entitled to get compensated for what they create, even if it is a Steaming Pantload.

I think DRM is still in its infancy. They will someday find a less onerous way. If we knew what that would be, we would already have it, of course...:)


39 posted on 12/23/2006 7:08:07 PM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: Logophile
All producers and marketers of copyrighted material?

I ask because I write books. My books are published under copyright.

I produce copyrighted material too, across a number of media channels, one of which is writing. I'd make a wager that you or someone in your family has seen (or possibly owns) some of my work. I'm of the opinion that one must publish or perish, to borrow a phrase.

Are you saying that I automatically deserve to fail because I do not give away my work free to anyone who wants it?

No, not automatically fail. Seemingly you are smart enough to be attuned to the market and willing to adjust your products to suit the market. But you seem to be under the impression that you have the same rights as the record companies, the mainstream news outlets or the film and video production companies in regard to copyright issues. I'd suggest you look up the DMCA, or the 'Sonny Bono Act' to see what a few well placed millions will buy these days.

I'd also suggest that you read Thomas Jeffersons thoughts on protecting intellectual property, and why he thought that it should be drastically limited.

For even more insight, I'd direct you to Tom Bethell's excellent book, "The Noblest Triumph: Property and Prosperity Through the Ages".

Finally, I'd offer the observation (again) that the rise of Napster, file sharing, etc. is the unintended- and natural- consequence of a perversion of market efficiency by greedy producers of IP who are now enjoying their just desserts. And that that is undeniably a Good Thing.

40 posted on 12/23/2006 7:16:17 PM PST by IncPen (When Al Gore Finished the Internet, he invented Global Warming)
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