End of the neo-con dream

BBC News ^ | 21 December 2006 | By Paul Reynolds

[Billthedrill]

Achingly inept political analysis at the BBC. Bill Clinton an isolationist? He is precisely the opposite, an enthusiastic internationalist whose actions in that regard have garnered him unending - and undeserved - praise from the Beeb up to now. As far as being even remotely a neocon all I can say is I'd love to know what they've been smoking across the pond.

It is revealing and amusing, and would be infuriating if I cared remotely for the opinions of fools, that these analysts appear to believe their own cant; that not only terms such as "neocon" can be redefined to suit the exigencies of the moment but that ther very term "defeat" is similarly amenable to adjustment at whim and validation by sheer dint of repetition. The real world doesn't work like that, thank God, but progressive fantasyland does. I do wish these people would tire of attempting to drag the rest of us into their communal delusions.

[Sam Hill]

"The end of the neocon dream is America'a nightmare. It is also Israel's. Neither of us is more secure. They have created a universal desire of aspiring countries to have the atom weapon - as don't go into the future with America without it. The neocons have created perpetual war, their dreams have come true."

I can't believe you've been allowed to spread your Bircher agit-prop for so long on this forum.

It's disgusting.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

That phrase ....progressive fantasyland

.....leads me to borrow the following graphic from this thread regarding the Associated press:

AP Stonewalls, "Jamil Hussein" Still Missing

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[curiosity]

They predicted the development of democratic values in a region lacking in them and, in that way, the removal of any threat to the United States just as the democratisation of Germany and Japan after World War II had transformed Europe and the Pacific.

Yes, which demonstrates how breathtakingly naive they are. Thank goodness these clowns have been descredited. We should have never let the fomer troskyites into the conservative tent.

[curiosity]

Bush came into office with the promise of reducing nation building efforts and the number of military liaisons with other countries both of which had grown under Clinton.

Yes, that's true. That's one of the reasons I supported him over McCain. Unfortunately, he broke that promise.

[curiosity]

And please identify who you mean by neocons

Neocons are the followers of a political philosophy (I'm being generous with this label; some would say religion is more descriptive) invented by intelectuals Francis Futayama, Irving Kristol, and Norman Podhoretz in the mid 1970's. Prominent intellectuals today include the sons of Kristol and Podhoretz, William and John. Other prominent neocon public intellectuals would include Charles Krauthammer, Michael Novak, Michael Barone, Paul Gigot, David Brooks, and most on the staff of the American Enterprise Institute. The Weekly Standard would be the political magazine most strongly identified with the neocons, edited by William Kristol.

Prominent neocons in the Bush Administration would invlude Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz. I would say that Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney became neocons, adopting their ideology, soon after 9-11. Prior to that it would be difficult to classify them as such, but today the clearly adhere to the neocon faith.

To read more about the neocon philosophy, as described by a self-described neocon and "godfather" of the movement, see the following link:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/000tzmlw.asp

[sauropod]

review

[AngloSaxonChristian]

'Opinions coming from a nation so weak it surrendered to Brussels are of no use to a great nation such as the United States of America.

Its high time england shuffled off into much deserved irrelavance, as we fix its meddling ways of the last few hundred years. Iraq anyone ? Remind us who forced that artificial nation on its people, with its borders drawn up by some limp wristed british diplomat ?'

Thanks for confusing the warped views of one journalist with the opinion of the entire British Isles. From now on I shall return the compliment by assuming the NY Times represents the view of every American. Makes life simple letting the MSM lead you round by the nose doesn't it?

[MinorityRepublican]

Bump for a later read!

[Canard]

I don't really feel the need to respond to your trolling with any actual rebuttals tbh, I'm happy to let your own words speak for themselves.

The fact that you not only consistently not only denigrate the sacrifice of British troops fighting alongside US troops around the world, but also apparently (as per post 29) advocate some kind of military action by the US against the UK speaks more than eloquently of the lucidity of your views.

Fortunately the vast majority of your countrymen in no way agree with you.

[BW2221]

When I think of neo-cons, I think of Fred Barnes, so I don't have a real high opinion of them.

[teeman8r]

hoisted by his own canard... jolly good... and nicely done...

teeman

[curiosity]

Wrong you warm-beer drinking sod. They were "neo" because they switched from left to right.

Actually, he's exactly right. The self-described godfather of the neocons, Irving Kristol, explicitly admits he wants to transform the conservative movement:

Viewed in this way, one can say that the historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be this: to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy.

The quote is taken from here:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/000tzmlw.asp

Don't you find it breathtakingly arrogant that these clowns think conservatism is incapable of governing in a modern democracy without them?

Hopefully Kristol and his ilk will go crawl back into their hole now that they have been disgraced in Iraq.

[veronica]

The term "Neo-Con" is just a cover for those who mean Jewish Republican. Very transparent and tired. But not unexpected from the BBC. And further, it's not the "Kristols" who are irrelevant, it's Buchanan, Baker, etc. Baker has now been laughed off the stage.