Posted on 12/22/2006 4:33:05 AM PST by SJackson
Reflections on the treatment of non-believers by the three great monotheistic religions on their holy days.
But quite unlike the Jewish and Christian religious celebrations of Hanukkah and Christmas, if you are a non-Muslim, dont plan on investigating the mysteries of Islam by joining your Muslim friends on their trip to Saudi Arabia for the Hajj youre not invited.
Perhaps no better contrast between Judaism, Christianity and Islam exists than the treatment of non-believers on the respective holy days of each religion. I recall fondly the many times that I have participated in the Passover seder at the invitation of Jewish friends and have each time been awed at the profound meaning attached to every element of the seder which is designed to illustrate the fascinating historical narrative of the Jewish people over the millennia that is the foundation of both the Christian and Islamic faiths.
I also remember the occasion several years ago when a Chinese friend of mine who was finishing his PhD at Ohio State joined my family and I for our Christmas Eve celebrations. After joining us for worship, he told us with tears in his eyes how that was the first time that he had ever heard the gospel message that Jesus Christ had come into the world to save sinners a message that had been branded as counter-revolutionary and been outlawed in his own country. Needless to say, we were delighted when he joined us again the following year for Christmas Eve, where he was anxious to tell anyone at church who would listen how he had embraced the free offer of the gospel and become a Christian the previous year. Having returned home to China, my friend is now a leader in the underground Church there.
But if I wanted to join my Muslim friends next week on the Hajj, I would have to bear in mind that my reception would not be as friendly. I would be forbidden to bring my Bible or any Christian literature with me on my trip to Saudi Arabia, and be required to remove anything identifiably Christian from my person (crosses, etc.). There are no Christian churches allowed in the Land of the Two Mosques, so there would be no opportunity for me to join with fellow Christians there in our weekly celebration of the Lords Day, and I would constantly be under watch by the Wahhabi Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice police to ensure that I didnt share my Christian faith with anyone else.
Even having arrived in Saudi Arabia and complying with the absolute ban of any expression of my faith, as I approached the holy city of Mecca, I would be denied entry. Despite all of the supposed Quranic endorsements of the People of the Book (i.e. Jews and Christians), as a kafir, my presence is not welcome at the Hajj. We should remember that the cardinal offense that prompted Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaeda lackeys to declare war on the Crusaders and Zionists in 1996 was the presence of American troops in the Arabian Peninsula, though nowhere near the sacred cities of Mecca or Medina.
For Muslims in the West, they have as much freedom as any other to practice their faith openly and freely without any fear of being molested. The number of mosques popping up all over America is a testament to that freedom.
Such is not the case for Jews and Christians in Islamic lands, however, where people of those faiths are subject to countless acts of intimidation and violence on a daily basis. Even in their synagogues and sanctuaries, believers are not immune from attack. In fact, many are prevented from approaching their own holy sites. In the Holy Land, Muslims occupy the Temple Mount the historic location of the ancient Jewish Temple and Jewish worshippers are subject to regular assaults by stone-throwing Muslim crowds at the nearby Wailing Wall and other sacred sites. And it was the mere presence of a Jew Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon near the Temple Mount in September 2000 that sparked the second intifada that has claimed the lives of hundreds of Jews, Christians and Muslims in recent years. Jews have also been forbidden from visiting the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron Judaisms second-most holy site since it was converted to a mosque in 1266.
And earlier this month Turkish authorities feared that Pope Benedict might take the opportunity while touring the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul one of the greatest churches in the world that was seized by Muslims after 1,000 years of constant use by Christians that he might actually try to pray there.
It isnt just the Hagia Sophia that has suffered the inglorious fate of being converted from its original use as a Christian church to be taken over by invading Islamic forces and made into a mosque. In her book, The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam. From Jihad to Dhimmitude, Bat Yeor chronicles how innumerable Christian and Jewish holy sites, such as the Church of St. John in Damascus that was demolished by the Islamic Caliph Abd al-Malik in 705 and had the Umayyad Mosque built over it, were taken over for the exclusive use for Islamic worship during the constant waves of Islamic conquest. It is worth noting that even the Kabaa, the central location of worship in Mecca, was seized by Mohammad from non-Muslims.
Getting back to my original point one of the constant complaints of Muslim apologists is that Westerners just dont understand Islam. Fair enough; but is that entirely the fault of non-Muslims who are shut out of Islams most important rituals? And might it be the case that those of us, Christians and Jews alike, who are angered at the treatment of our brethren in Islamic lands do so not because of our alleged Islamophobia, but rather on the basis of real grievances?
As former President Jimmy Carter travels the country promoting his book identifying Israel as an apartheid state because they refuse to capitulate to Palestinian terrorism, perhaps he might take some time and try to join his Wahhabi patrons during the Hajj this year and see what religious apartheid is really all about. While believers and non-believers alike will enjoy the Hanukkah and Christmas holidays, the invitation for Jews and Christians to join their Muslim friends and neighbors for the Hajj this year didnt get lost in the holiday mail. It was never sent.
Did I say that?
Invading Iran and Syria won't work?
About as well as it did in Iraq, I guess.
You're a very simple minded person and misread things very quickly.
Fire and brimstone upon thee whoooo!!!
Then they need to clean their OWN house!
Or that collateral damage is gonna be great one day.
And a Merry Christmas to you, too!
Collateral damage, even justified, can be very high, especially when jihadists' strategy seems to be obliterating the difference between civilians and military, and hiding behind human shields on a grand scale. Still, there is a difference between unavoidable collateral deaths, and murder.
It may take a 'Friendly Persuasion' moment....
I agree, and the things that we may or may not do in a 'war' will probably change as our proximity to the violence changes.
We just need to keep seeking, speaking and living the Truth,praying unceasingly while trusting in God. May you and your family have a happy and holy Christmas,God bless you all!!
Yes, can we please pray that US leaders in past wars (which used tactics vital to winning) were war criminals and that we can't repeat those winning tactics again. Praise God so that we may lose, but be the 'nice guys'.
You really don't understand the difference between war and civil justice do you?
Batter my heart, three-person'd God
John Donne
Batter my heart, three-person'd God, for you
As yet but knock, breathe, shine, and seek to mend;
That I may rise and stand, o'erthrow me, and bend
Your force to break, blow, burn, and make me new.
I, like an usurp'd town to'another due,
Labor to'admit you, but oh, to no end;
Reason, your viceroy in me, me should defend,
But is captiv'd, and proves weak or untrue.
Yet dearly'I love you, and would be lov'd fain,
But am betroth'd unto your enemy;
Divorce me,'untie or break that knot again,
Take me to you, imprison me, for I,
Except you'enthrall me, never shall be free,
Nor ever chaste, except you ravish me.
And this...
Legion (by C S Lewis)
Lord, hear my voice, my present voice I mean,
Not that which may be speaking an hour hence
(For I am Legion) in an opposite sense,
And not by show of hands decide between
The multiple factions which my state has seen
Or will see. Condescend to the pretence
That what speaks now is I; in its defence
Dissolve my parliament and intervene.
Thou wilt not, though we asked it, quite recall
Free will once given. Yet to this moment's choice
Give unfair weight. Hold me to this. Oh strain
A pointuse legal fictions; for if all
My quarrelling selves must bear an equal voice,
Farewell, thou hast created me in vain.
You got that wrong. Suggest you search user for Mrs Don-o and learn a thing or two - if you are teachable, that is. She is one of the clearest thinkers and writers on this board. You may not like her positions, but, you just may be frustrated.
I'm still waiting for someone to take me up on my standing offer of $10.00 to anyone who can name for me one, just one, significant invention or scientific advance that meets the following criteria:
1. It must be within the last 100 years.
2. It must have been created by a muslim working in a muslim country.
I have had this offer open for several years. Even my Iranian, ex pat, muslim, coworkers haven't come up with anything.
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
Yawn. I've seen better responses from an elk stem.
boo hoo, poor civilians, war sux.
A just war is not murder. Murder is not a just war. These are the distinctions you don't seem to quite appreciate.
You perhaps should watch Sgt York, the old version. Where he decided this conflict.
You *realllyyyyy* need to watch it.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0034167/
This is one you need to see, where he comes to grips with what you have not. War is killing. Watch the movie. It's a classic and it'll perhaps teach you some sense.
Thank you, Tolsti, for the links to Sgt. York, whom I have always respected as a just warrior.
Merry Christmas to you.
That is not what this discussion is about at all.
Then you and 'Mrs Don-O' disagree with our strategic nuclear attacks on Japenese cities in general?
She seemed to be going on some moralist adventure that says 'god hates killing!'.
Can you say that our attacks on strategic targets in the past were proper? If not, will you stfu and just announce yourselves as US haters?
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