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The immigration puzzle -- A Latino household wrestles with border debate [...]
North County Times ^
| Saturday, December 2, 2006
| Hector M. Barajas
Posted on 12/20/2006 3:58:01 PM PST by A. Pole
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posted on
12/20/2006 3:58:05 PM PST
by
A. Pole
To: A. Pole
Build the wall.
Only legal immigration.
Mexico needs: compulsory education through high school, property rights, anti-corruption legislation, clean water, ...etc.
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posted on
12/20/2006 4:06:44 PM PST
by
fishtank
To: arthurus
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posted on
12/20/2006 4:08:39 PM PST
by
arthurus
(Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
To: A. Pole
On the news today, there was a segment on a small town somewhere that was opening it's arms to welcome immigrants. I was only half listening since I knew where it was headed - blather, blather, good family folks, blather, hard working, blather, tax payers, blather, blather. But interesting it didn't distinguish legal from illegals and those one government freebies. Oh, well.
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posted on
12/20/2006 4:09:00 PM PST
by
mtbopfuyn
(I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
To: A. Pole
So the "good" illegal immigrants want to do something about the "bad" ones. I guess in some alternate universe, this is logical.
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posted on
12/20/2006 4:10:23 PM PST
by
Dog Gone
To: A. Pole
I'd like to see their amnesty butts kicked back across the border.
What was Reagan thinking?
To: Dog Gone
So the "good" illegal immigrants want to do something about the "bad" ones. I guess in some alternate universe, this is logical. We now live in that universe. I suggest that we approve a guest worker program and the first 10,000 admitted be assigned to border enforcement duties.
LOL, For anyone who thinks that they would not arrest their fellow country men for a good wage
they dont know many Mexicans.
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posted on
12/20/2006 4:29:25 PM PST
by
usurper
(Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
To: Dog Gone
Kinda sums it up.
I know how I'm supposed to feel after reading this opinion piece, but, I just don't. I still think illegal aliens should be given the boot as far as it is possible to do so. Of course, as time goes on and we do nothing, it gets more and more difficult. And I still don't think that vast numbers of illegal aliens are going to become Republicans. If that were so, there would be no hew and cry for them to get any kind of government aid, as they would be the sort of people who didn't need or want it.
susie
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posted on
12/20/2006 4:29:25 PM PST
by
brytlea
(amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
To: Dog Gone
So the "good" illegal immigrants want to do something about the "bad" ones. I guess in some alternate universe, this is logical.It was as if the family understood all the problems that stem from illegal immigration, but they fail to see the part they have played in this fiasco.
To: A. Pole
Here's the good news Mr. Barajas.
You, your children, some of your nieces/nephews, at least two of your siblings and your parents should all be deported as the fruit of the poison vine.
Hector, you are an excellent example of that poison fruit. You reside here as a direct consequence of illegal immigration and now make your livelihood leaching off society as a political operative.
To: Amerigomag
If, in response to a properly passed law, Mr. Barajas and his parents became lawful citizens (it appears he may have been one by birth, I'm not sure), then they ARE citizens -- sorry, you can't kick them back across the border. You may not like the 1986 law, but it's the law, just like a lot of others I may not like.
Also, we have a very long and rich history of acts to legalize illegals, frequently very specific ones. Just look through the congressional records of a half century or a century ago -- "An act for the relief of . . . " There are thousands.
Passing sensible, restrictionist, laws now will be a lot easier without it seeming (as your post does) that we want to re-fight, and illegalize people who became legal by act of Congress.
To: rottndog
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posted on
12/20/2006 5:44:52 PM PST
by
rottndog
(WOOF!!!)
To: A. Pole
This is what the politicians don't seem to understand. This whole thing is being handled wrong and instead of allowing people to take part in the American dream, they are having their dreams smashed and their poverty just moved from one place to another.
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posted on
12/20/2006 5:52:38 PM PST
by
McGavin999
(Republicans take out our trash, Democrats re-elect theirs)
To: BohDaThone
in response to a properly passed law, Review the ratification history of the 14th Amendment.
You may not like the 1986 law, but it's the law..
Is it?
Not by US v Wong Kim Ark or Plyer v Doe and certainly not according to the opinions expressed in the first case before the SCOTUS after ratification.
To: A. Pole
Its the Here's the numbers debate on the casualties caused by the preditor class that has come up from Mexico and central america. Consider this article
Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily Death toll in 2006 far overshadows total U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Afghanistan
People have been referring to the
Captains Quarters as a rebuke to the assertions of the article. The Captain's Quarters makes the assertion that for the numbers to be true it would have to be the case that a small number of people were committing a lot of crimes. That is to say far outside the statistical norm for the USA. The problem is that he didn't actually check the federal stats. As it happens it is the case that illegals tend to be very repeat offenders.
Below are some government stats to back up the article's assertioms
From the FBI crime statistics * An estimated 16,692 persons were murdered nationwide in 2005, an increase of 3.4 percent from the 2004 figure. * Murder comprised 1.2 percent of the overall estimated number of violent crimes in 2005. (Based on Table 1.) * There were an estimated 5.6 murders per 100,000 inhabitants.
Illegal Alien Crime Wave
On April 7, 2005, the US Justice Department issued a report on criminal aliens that were incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails. In the population study of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990. They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly one and half times more offenses than arrests. Almost all of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than 1 offense. Slightly more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between 2 and 10 offenses.
CRIMINAL HISTORY
More than two-thirds of the defendants charged with an immigration offense were identified as having been previously arrested. Thirty-six percent had been arrested on at least 5 prior occasions; 22%, 2 to 4 times; and 12%,1 time. Sixty-one percent of those defendants had been convicted at least once; 18%, 5 or more times; 26%, 2 to 4 times; and 17%, 1 time. Of those charged, 49% had previously been convicted of a felony: 20% of a drug offense; 18%, a violent offense; and 11%, other felony offenses. Twelve percent had previously been convicted of a misdemeanor. Defendants charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. Nine in ten had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, half had been arrested on at least 5 prior occasions. Fifty-six percent of those charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted of a violent or drug-related felony. By contrast, under half of those charged with alien smuggling, a third of those charged with unlawful entry, and just over a quarter those charged with misuse of visas and other charges had previously been arrested. The criminal histories of these defendants were generally less extensive: more than 70% had been previously arrested fewer than 5 times. Sources: US Department of Homeland Security, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, National Security Institute, National Association of Chiefs of Police, US Department of Justice
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posted on
12/20/2006 6:33:44 PM PST
by
ckilmer
To: Amerigomag
And how far do you go?
My great-grandparents jumped ship in New York harbor rather than risk being 'rejected' at Ellis Island.
So, they were illegal aliens, too.
Should I be deported to the Ukraine, 100 years and three generations later?
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posted on
12/20/2006 7:45:44 PM PST
by
gogogodzilla
(Republicans only win if they are conservative. Woe befalls any who forget that.)
To: gogogodzilla
Should I be deported to the Ukraine, 100 years and three generations later?Good question.
If the SCOTUS reviews subject to the jurisdiction thereof you'll have your answer.
To: ConservativeMind
From what I heard, it was a Rat bill attached to a budget provision that had the amnesty.
To: Thunder90; gogogodzilla; Amerigomag; ckilmer; A. Pole; ConservativeMind
1. The Simpson Mazzoli bill of 1986, leading to the amnesty and law changes being debated here, was very thoroughly debated. Here's the full legisltive history.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d099:SN01200:@@@S|TOM:/bss/d099query.html|
You may not like it, but it certainly wasn't "slipped through as a rider" or some such.
2. The debate over whether the 14th amendment should be interpreted as not making "anchor babies" US citizens, which has some possible merit, though contrary to all the historical practice, has NOTHING to do with Congress's power to pass amnesties, or alter the immigration laws in any way it chooses. That power is granted by the Naturalization Clause of the Constitution. So the 1986 law can't contradict any interpretation of the 14th Amendment. Similarly, a new interpretation of the 14th amendment today can't undo the citizenship of a person born here, to persons who were treated as citizens for 3 generations, because the ancestor was illegal in 1880!
3. I haven't dug into the Murder statistics controversy, but on another thread I dug up the fact that although something like 30% of FEDERAL prisoners are aliens, msot prisoners are state and local, and only about 7% of all prisoners are aliens. Since murder is almost always a state crime, it is plausible that maybe 7% of murders are committed by aliens, which would be 3-4 per day. However, you can probably find exact numbers in reports by either the FBI or the Bureau of Justice Statistics of the Department of Justice.
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