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What will they Ban Next?
Townhall ^ | 12/20/06 | John Stossel

Posted on 12/20/2006 5:15:05 AM PST by Molly Pitcher

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To: libertarian27; Liberty Valance

''What will they Ban Next?

Foldin' money?''

Yep, you can bet it is on the agenda. Just look at the proliferation of places that require direct deposit and direct withdrawal. Just try to buy an airline ticket with cash. They even gave people on welfare their own debit cards!

The tax folks want it to be able to track our money, but they won't say much about that. We will see law enforcement screaming for it as a way to fight the WOD and crime in general. Social services will talk about hungry children finally getting their money from deadbeat dads. We will also see it parroted as a homeland security measure. They will say that it is a way to stop smuggling and currency transfers to terrorists. They will also announce that we are at specific high risk of terrorists spreading anthrax and other biological agents on paper currency. A few scares and the sheeple will be demanding that the government do something to protect them.

This stuff gets predictable after awhile.



61 posted on 12/20/2006 6:33:49 AM PST by FreeInWV
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To: montag813
but he is dead wrong. Transfats are poison. The health benefits from their elimination will be looked upon 20 years from now as a great step forward for the well-being of Americans.

Is this sarcasm?

62 posted on 12/20/2006 6:34:22 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Old Professer
WTF !!??!!!

He is being air conditioned too????

Don't I have to take him to some recycling center so we can safely reclaim his exhalant???

63 posted on 12/20/2006 6:34:29 AM PST by knarf (Islamists kill each other ... News wall-to-wall, 24/7 .. don't touch that dial.)
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To: Molly Pitcher
What will they Ban Next?

crossing the street without holding hands.

64 posted on 12/20/2006 6:39:08 AM PST by Swordfished
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To: Molly Pitcher
Using the same logic, let's get rid of New York style pizza (seriously, do you need all that cheese?), beef hot dogs (tofu dogs almost taste the same), corned beef (turkey breast is much leaner) . . .

Using the same logic, let's get rid of New York altogether.

As far as I'm concerned, this country's silly "war on terror" officially ended when the same New York City government that had to deal with a catastrophic attack on 9/11 decided -- only a few months later, mind you -- that second-hand smoke was the biggest threat to its citizenry.

65 posted on 12/20/2006 6:59:21 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: SheLion

I heard a lady on the radio yesterday.
Passing her site on to you in case you haven't seen it...
http://www.tobaccocontroloutofcontrol.ca/


66 posted on 12/20/2006 7:03:34 AM PST by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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To: Paloma_55

Remember the little white card that Clinton held up when touting Hillary Care? Well that card will be scanned at the check-out counter and anything not on you prescribed diet from the Directorate of Dietary Compliance will be seized. Multiple offenders will be disqualified from recieving healthcare.


67 posted on 12/20/2006 7:13:34 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: montag813

I like Stossel, but he is dead wrong. Transfats are poison. The health benefits from their elimination will be looked upon 20 years from now as a great step forward for the well-being of Americans.

That's a typical precursor boogie-man scare tactic followed by the politician pleading to the public for justifying the must have law that will save persons and society from running headlong into destruction. 

I've got news for you: The federal government creates on average 3,000 new laws and regulations each year. All of them are deemed, "must have" laws. The States each create about twenty percent that many laws and regulations. I got more news for you: excluding traffic violations, virtually every person breaks the law several times each year. Business several times a month. More news for you, despite that massive lawlessness persons and society have increasingly prospered from one decade to the next, one generation to the next. And they did that in spite of not having the supposed benefits of the new laws to come next year, five, ten, twenty-five years in the future.

In fact, most of the mountain of laws and regulations have oppressed persons and society from ever greater prosperity. They sacrifice the individual, in whole or part, for the supposed greater good of the group. The fallacy of that is that before a group can exist there first must exist an individual. Sacrificing the individual diminishes the group. Protecting the individual's rights enhances the group. Protect the smallest minority -- the individual -- and all minorities and majorities are protected.

Ninety-eight percent of the populace don't initiate force against other persons or their property. That is, they don't murder, assault, rape steal commit fraud against another person or their property. It's got nothing to do with politics and very little to do with laws. The reason 98% of the people peacefully co-exist is personal integrity -- do unto others as others would do unto you. And that begins with choosing to be left alone.

Individual rights and individual responsibilities. The most fundamental right is the right to disassociate. That is, the right to just say "no", walk away with no strings attached. It requires no person's approval or agreement. Whereas the corollary, the freedom to associate, does require that another person agrees to associate. Obviously, when a person refuses to associate with a person they have exercised their right to disassociate/discriminate.

Based on honest principle, here's a litmus test.

If a person believes they've been harmed by another person or business the alleged victim can take the person/business to court before an impartial jury and plead their case. Doing that with the intent of gaining restitution for their loss. Even in this sheeple burdened populace nine out of ten impartial juries would rule in favor of the defendant because the alleged victim had the free choice to say "no" and walk away, no strings attached.. Or had the free choice to not read the things they disagree with. Or had the free choice to not enter the business that allowed smoking. Or free choice to not eat certain foods

Those choices, and the corollary -- freedom of association -- are unenumerated rights protected by the Ninth and Fourteenth Amendments.

As Thomas Jefferson so aptly stated: 

"No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him. " -- Thomas Jefferson, 1816

Ninety-eight percent of the populace doesn't commit aggression on the equal rights of another.

And...

"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion." -- Thomas Jefferson, 1820

The first order of business would be to inform the people why a constitutional republic is far superior to a mob-rule, tyranny-of-the-majority democracy. Perhaps begin by explaining the fallacy of needing 3,000 new laws and regulations each year. Easily identified by the scare-mongering that precedes their passage and the honest-principle litmus test to determine weather a law is necessary to protect the individual and their property..

68 posted on 12/20/2006 7:20:15 AM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: John W
Regulation of restaurants is a function of local government. Arguably, federal approval of trans fats in commercial foodstuffs preempts local regulation, but this may not be true as to restaurants, and federal policy is in flux anyway. The prime virtue of trans fats -- their shelf life for shipment and storage in processed foods -- is of minimal consequence in the restaurant setting. There will be court cases over the issue, I am sure.
69 posted on 12/20/2006 7:22:05 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Molly Pitcher
But why do the health police get to take away my choices?

This is precisely why socialized medicine, and/or "universal" health insurance coverage, can never be allowed to happen in the U.S. As soon as the government can say that someone's bad choices are costing taxpayer's, they establish the grounds to control those choices.

In reality, they're already doing this by saying that obesity is a national problem because it "costs" so much. It only costs so much because we are all forced to pay the medical costs of people who can't seem to control themselves. Drop the whole "everyone is entitled to health insurance" nonsense, let insurers rate or deny coverage to people with unhealthy habits (e.g. smoking, drinking excessively, or eating too many ringdings while they sit on their fat keesters watching "Survivor").

70 posted on 12/20/2006 7:24:03 AM PST by Sicon
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To: John W
PS: I am a paleocon, both in philosophy and -- alas -- in vintage as well.
71 posted on 12/20/2006 7:25:05 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Molly Pitcher

Careful who you agree with! Stossel is a libertarian and he is expressing a very libertarian view of government and government regulation.


72 posted on 12/20/2006 7:25:39 AM PST by Small-L ("Government is not the answer to our problems -- government is the problem." --RWR)
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To: Small-L
Careful who you agree with! Stossel is a libertarian and he is expressing a very libertarian view of government and government regulation.

You say this like it's a bad thing.

73 posted on 12/20/2006 7:42:16 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Molly Pitcher
Let's ban any mention of God in the public square. Oh wait, they already did that.

Let's ban certain really good constitutionally protected self defense weapons. Oh wait, they already did that.

Let's ban a certain backyard weed. Oh wait, they already did that.

Let's ban being able to buy certain beverages on Sundays or in the evenings or night or early mornings. Oh wait, they already did that, in my State anyways.

Oh well, at least we can still murder the unborn and the inconvenient.

74 posted on 12/20/2006 7:43:33 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: television is just wrong; Molly Pitcher
trans fats, are a dangerous type of food put in our diets today not by choice. It is a manufactured fat, that is cheaper than butter, and other natural oils, that holds a certain consistency at room temperature.

I remember science and government telling us NOT to eat butter, eggs, bacon, etc... because of the fat and that they were going to kill us. They told us instead to use margarine.

Now Margarine is going to kill us and they are banning trans-fat.

That is why i just eat what I want to eat and often ignore the conventional science of the day.

Sort of like when they were saying coffee would give you a heart attack. Now a fresh cup of coffee is GOOD for you and fights cancer!

75 posted on 12/20/2006 8:17:57 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: montag813
Tobacco is bad for you. Far worse than transfats. Alcohol, not good for you, especially if consumed in larger quantites.

Ban them? If not, why not?

76 posted on 12/20/2006 8:18:58 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: tfecw

and many of them post here, sadly.


77 posted on 12/20/2006 8:23:55 AM PST by flashbunny (If the founding fathers were alive today, they'd be buying feathers and boiling tar.)
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To: from occupied ga

no, he's actually a socialist posting here.


78 posted on 12/20/2006 8:27:52 AM PST by flashbunny (If the founding fathers were alive today, they'd be buying feathers and boiling tar.)
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To: flashbunny
no, he's actually a socialist posting here.

Had to be one or the other. No conservative would ever espouse such a fascist idea

79 posted on 12/20/2006 8:30:17 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: kanawa
I heard a lady on the radio yesterday.
Passing her site on to you in case you haven't seen it...
http://www.tobaccocontroloutofcontrol.ca/

That is some site.  Thanks for posting the URL!!

80 posted on 12/20/2006 8:35:41 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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