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Woman beaten on Jerusalem bus for refusing to move to rear seat
Haaretz.com ^ | Dec 19, 2006 | Daphna Berman

Posted on 12/19/2006 11:35:51 AM PST by Sarah

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To: Sarah

"I said, I'm not moving and he said, 'I'm not asking you, I'm telling you.' Then he spat in my face and at that point, I was in high adrenaline mode and called him a son-of-a-bitch, which I am not proud of. Then I spat back. At that point, he pushed me down and people on the bus were screaming that I was crazy. Four men surrounded me and slapped my face, punched me in the chest, pulled at my clothes, beat me, kicked me. My snood [hair covering] came off. I was fighting back and kicked one of the men in his privates. I will never forget the look on his face."

Shear says that when she bent down in the aisle to retrieve her hair covering, "one of the men kicked me in the face. Thank God he missed my eye. I got up and punched him. I said, 'I want my hair covering back' but he wouldn't give it to me, so I took his black hat and threw it in the aisle."


Miriam didn't go down without a fight. Good for her, I say. The people who criticized her are justifying assault and battery. Don't they find that odd?


61 posted on 12/19/2006 12:28:44 PM PST by Cecily
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To: Larry Lucido

....and you asked the flight attendant, Mary, for something to read, "Mary, mag, darlin'!".......


62 posted on 12/19/2006 12:28:46 PM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: PeteB570

I should have known that. I think I always saw it written: The ROP.


63 posted on 12/19/2006 12:29:06 PM PST by Sarah
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To: albee

Could you read my post 59?


64 posted on 12/19/2006 12:29:42 PM PST by Sarah
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To: Sarah
Thank God there's at least the US has at least ONE ally in the Middle-East that doesn't want us to return to the Dark Ag-

Oh, wait...

65 posted on 12/19/2006 12:32:39 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Cecily

Feisty, no?
I hate to say it, but she was looking for trouble...
I've actually been on one of those buses, and unknowingly got on on the front! No one said a thing, men looked away.
I just left my husband in the front, let him pay, and then we both got off at the correct stop.


66 posted on 12/19/2006 12:33:09 PM PST by Sarah
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To: Sarah

"I live in France"

You're brave.


67 posted on 12/19/2006 12:34:10 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Sarah
Israel is a secular state. That being said, there are accommodations for religious/observant Jews. There has always been a little unrest between the ultra-orthodox communities and the secular ones. There have been a number of riots, brawls and other incidents between the various parties. Additionally there has always been the debate about military conscription and the ultra-orthodoxes dismissal from it. So while this item has made the paper, it is not the first or last such incident. It is an issue that they have had since the inception of Israel.
68 posted on 12/19/2006 12:35:05 PM PST by FFIGHTER (Character Matters!)
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To: gaijin

Like Japan doesn't have weird customs.

As posted elsewhere, I am presuming these are NK and hardly representative of even the frum community.


69 posted on 12/19/2006 12:35:25 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Cecily
Miriam didn't go down without a fight. Good for her, I say.

Hear hear!

Her courage in the face of a mindless mob is encouraging. I hope the Virtue and Vice squad ends up in jail (and that they think twice before they decide to assault someone from the 21st-century).

70 posted on 12/19/2006 12:35:56 PM PST by Wormwood (I'm with you in Rockland)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Oh, my. Bad timing, I must say -- not that there is ever a good time for it, but oh, dear.


71 posted on 12/19/2006 12:36:24 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Wormwood

I daresay they are filthy thugs if the answers were YES.

My judgement says such action is sinful, and trumps any "sin" of "integration".


72 posted on 12/19/2006 12:36:36 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

LOL!

Good for her.


73 posted on 12/19/2006 12:37:44 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: MeanWestTexan
these are NK

These? North Korea?

74 posted on 12/19/2006 12:39:51 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Larry Lucido

Was that the slender pilot or the paunchy pilot??


75 posted on 12/19/2006 12:40:47 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Sarah

She should have kept the guy's black hat as a trophy of the fight.

More Orthodox women should give these fellows trouble when they start trying to dictate how women should behave in public. There is no reason for women to put up with this kind of treatment and these attitudes. If the men can't handle riding the public bus with women sitting nearby, maybe they need to stay home so that their male modesty and delicate sensibilities won't be harmed.


76 posted on 12/19/2006 12:42:19 PM PST by Cecily
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To: Sarah
Sorry, Sarah, I'm all for when in Rome, but this doesn't cut it. I have never known a physically abusive Jew (not that there may not be some) -- verbally -- oh yeah, but not physical. This incident is plainly unacceptable, and Israel needs to designate buses for people of ultra orthodox faith in BOXCAR letters so this never, ever happens again. You want to live like that, your choice, but don't slap an American and expect Americans to say, oh, gosh, golly aren't they quaint. Don't tell me those men didn't have the where-with-all to voice their opinions.
77 posted on 12/19/2006 12:46:15 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: gaijin

"North Korea?"

Neturei Karta (ðèåøé ÷øúà "Guardians of the City"), is a group of Haredi Jews who reject oppose the existence of the secular State of Israel.

They are mainly in Jerusalem, Ramat Bet Shemesh, Safed, Bnei Brak and NYC.

I doubt their numbers are more than 2,500.


78 posted on 12/19/2006 12:47:01 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Sarah
"Could you read my post 59?"

I must have posted before you sent #59.

I put the word "sarcasm" in my post but it didn't come up.

I now have read your post #69 and appreciate it. Additionally, I have learned something I didn't know. That knowledge will help me in the future.

79 posted on 12/19/2006 12:51:02 PM PST by albee (The best thing you can do for the poor is.....not be one of them. - Eric Hoffer)
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To: Sarah

Are these women dressed immodestly to begin with? I don't understand how the act of climbing on a bus and sitting down can change someone from "modest" to "immodest".


80 posted on 12/19/2006 12:51:59 PM PST by Politicalmom (Nearly 1% of illegals are in prison for felonies. Less than 1/10 of 1% of the legal population is.)
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