U.S.: DISMAY AT ARREST OF ETHNIC SERBS

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[tgambill]

:)) the Serb military made fools of Clarks follies....you should read about how they fooled them.

[tgambill]

The whole situation is designed to provoke Russia into a third world war in the end...and to gain access to the Caspian oil reserves.....and finally just another objective for the "insiders"...

[gakrak]

Don't think it ended there with the Clinton's, if Hillary gets elected Pres, we will need to get prayer rugs. Amen.

[DTA]

>>>>>...but you want to DENY what happened and play semantical games with war crimes. 43 were found guilty. I'm waiting in suspense to see what sort of fallacy you'll use in your next argument.<<<<<<

That is called projection in psychology. You accuse me of something I am not doing, but what you are doing. I do not deny that some Serbs have committed war crimes.

However, you attempt to hide that others in Balkan civil war have commited crimes as well, but the bulk of them were not convicted. Oric is prime example.

[Red6]

"we don't accept a World Court to prosecute us, but we expect you little countries to agree to it"

We have a justice system and apply the UCMJ to our troops. If no outside force had stepped in, no NAZI and no Serb war crimes would have gotten prosecuted by anyone. To some degree you're right. Many of these countries are not ruled by laws but regimes or a sort of "mob rule". In those cases a court like the Hague is very well suited to do what these nations are not willing to do on their own, apply some resemblance of law where there is none.

In Iraq today, some Sunni surly also thinks Iraq's courts are a kangaroo justice system. But just like our nationalistic thinking Serbs in this forum, they are blinded by their own personal convictions. Saddam and many others are war criminals. They are war criminals by international law. http://www.un.org/law

In the US DoD the service member is is subjected to a code of justice that by far exceeds any international court system. The Hague will never sentence someone to death, which is possible under the UCMJ. The DoD investigates itself internally and prosecutes people for crimes even though they could easily have covered things up.

Example: The case of CPT Maynulet at Wiesbaden Germany in 2005. The DoD could have easily kept a lid on this, but it was a service member (Chief Warrant Officer) who turned the CPT in after review of a drone tape. The initial evidence was a drone tape which only the DoD had in its possession (No one knew). However, CID immediately initiated an investigation and began to dig deeper into the issue. The command immediately went public with the information. They eventually built a case against him and today he is a convicted felon, FBI registered. The behavior of the DoD is in stark contrast to many here who attempt to "rationalize" or through "polemics" attempt to wish away behavior that is illegal and immoral.

There is no doubt that a nation like Great Britain, Germany or the US will go after their own service members if they do wrong. There are numerous such cases from Afghanistan, Iraq, Balkans, Somalia....etc. The Canadian para unit in another example, and several service members got in some very hot water for some of the actions in Somalia. But they policed themselves. However, Serbia was not going to police itself. So yes, there is a double standard. So what?

[Red6]

""""The whole situation is designed to provoke Russia into a third world war in the end...and to gain access to the Caspian oil reserves.....and finally just another objective for the "insiders"...""""" You wrote

The intervention in the Balkans was about the oil! ROFLMAO

You guys are a clown show! lol

[DTA]

>>>>>>>However, Serbia was not going to police itself. So yes, there is a double standard. So what?<<<<<<

Even under Milosevic officers and soldiers who commited crimes in Kosovo were prosecuted and convicted. You have no clue.

However, the same can not be said of USAF pilot who deliberately striked passenger train.

or pilot who deliberately dropped cluster bombs on a busy market place.

[joan]

NATO directly bombed civilians - aimed at them in places from from Kosovo and with no military around - and this was all on behalf of the KLA which was composed of murderous Muslims.

[bimbo]

Seems to me that the Serbs one of only a few people that recognize the danger of Islam and are willing to fight against it.

[bimbo]

"These cases demonstrate our resolve to identify and prosecute those who enter the US under false pretences," said deputy attorney general Paul McNulty.

Paul McNulty must have winked, and had his fingers crossed when he said that. Maybe he just forgot to except the Mexican illegals.

[DTA]

>>>>>>Seems to me that the Serbs one of only a few people that recognize the danger of Islam and are willing to fight against it.>>>>>

Four hundred years under savage Muslim rule made every Serb aware of "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

On a level field, Serbs can fight Islamists and win, but Serbs can not fight U.S. who support Islamists and win. Sadly but true, U.S. is aligned with Islamists and islamic terrorists in the Balkans.

[Bokababe]

"If no outside force had stepped in, no NAZI and no Serb war crimes would have gotten prosecuted by anyone"

Once again, you are equating the Serbs with the Nazis -- just as the PR whores that the Croats, Bosnian Muslims and Kosovo Albanians hired said very specifically was their "accomplishment". There were no "ovens" in Bosnia, there were no "rape camps" in Bosnia, there was a civil war between those who wanted to leave Yugoslavia (Bosnian Muslims) in Bosnia and those who wished to stay in Yugoslavia -- primarily Serbs, but also Naser Oric's followers --Oric was the most popularly elected Muslim in Bosnia at the time. There were war crimes on all sides, but the Serbs were the only ones to admit that they weren't angels. The ICTY has prosecuted primarily Serbs and only a few token Muslims and Croats, in spite of the fact that there is even video of the beheadins of Serbs!

No one here is "a joke", Red. If you want to salivate over the prosecution of "Serbs as Nazis" and "Bosnian Muslims as Jews" just like some Ruder-Finn trained Pavlovian dog, then that's your choice-- meanwhile, Serbs are no threat to us Americans and the very Bosnian (& Albanian) Muslims who we helped are now al Qaeda sponsors. The Bosnian and Albanian Muslims were never "the Jews", and the worst of them were and are a blood-thristy bunch of Islamic jihadists bent on taking, not only Serbs heads, but yours and mine, as well.

Listening to you and your ilk go on about the prosecution of "the big bad Serbs" and what they did to " the poor Bosnian & Kosovo Muslims" is like listening to Nero fiddle while Rome burned.

[joan]

"but also Naser Oric's followers"

You mean Fikret Abdic's followers here.

[Red6]

1. So the pictures are from what and when and where? Bad pictures = bad NATO? More arguments based on BS.

2. In WWII we bombed the snot out of Germany. Thousands died. Was that wrong? Again, you are playing a game where you intentionally make the water murky to make some bogus point.

Your arguments are all the same. Emotional, lack of facts, speculative, full of fallacies....... loys of polemics. But no substance. Serbia was told to stop, they were told to stop again and again and again. They didn't. The UN was impotent and eventually upon request of several NATO countries (i.e. Germany and Great Britain) NATO became involved. Serbia after the break up of YU had the military might. They were the aggressor, they were the ones calling the shots. The Serbs complaining they were bombed is like the a German whining about Dresden. The Serbs created a mess. Germany alone had roughly 250,000 refugees in their country, maybe you'll deny that too?

http://www.emz-berlin.de/projekte_e/pj2/pj2_1.htm (From 1999 alone)

Ethnic group Number per cent

Bosnia 27881 70
Croatia 5974 15
Serbia 1991 5
Other (esp. Roma) 3983 10
Total 39829 100

There is a significant difference between intentionally murdering thousands, forced evicions, targeting civilians all in the deliberate attempt to destroy a group of people. Such activity is usually refered to as genocide. Do you know who else had ambitions to create "Lebensraum" for his people? Serbia planned and deliberately wanted to push people from their homeland to expand their national territory. You're no different than the German today complaining that they were bombed in WWII.

[joan]

People sitting out the war - invited and given plane rides to Germany and Austria - and arriving with no scratches, injuries, signs of torture or malnourishment at all.

Many had to leave simply because the war created chaos and economic devastation - only some - the politically correct - were given most help and opportunity to sit out the war and receive housing, aid, schooling, jobs.

The ones who had to stay and endure the wars or lived in refugee camps for years (the Serbs) had it the worst.

Serbs had 250,000 refugees driven from Croatia in just 3 days. (They had hundreds of thousands more driven from their homes in Bosnia during the war - but they were ALLOWED to come to Germany in those numbers.) They didn't have time to pack their bags, get on an airplane and being given apartments and homes and all sorts of help from host countries.

[joan]

"were ALLOWED" Should be "were NOT ALLOWED".

The Serbs had more refugees and displaced people but weren't accepted in Germany, Austria, the U.S. etc in those numbers. They had it harder to get out, and only in smaller batches - many thousands are still languishing in refugee camps - some for as many as 15 years (since 1991) - and many of these are elderly people.

The people in this story only were accepted years later - and it might have been a trap, as DTA said. The U.S. waiting until they settled, had their kids in school, jobs and some money saved up - now all their property is probably going to be taken or liquidated to pay for lawyers and court costs.

[joan]

This report from 2005, Red, says that Serbia had the largest number of refugees in Europe. It also states that 10 years before (1995) they had 500,000 (half million). That WAY eclipses your relatively small 28,000 figure for Bosnian Muslims in Germany.

Serbia-Montenegro remains European country with largest number of refugees

Serbia-Montenegro has remained the European country with the most refugees, the UN refugee agency said Monday.

Although the number of refugees has diminished dramatically, the issue of refugees remains a major problem in Serbia-Montenegro, the Belgrade office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) said in a statement to mark World Refugee Day, which falls on Monday.

Ten years ago, there were half a million refugees in Serbia- Montenegro, and currently the population of registered refugees is near 150,000, the statement said.

It said the Sarajevo declaration should be honored. According to the declaration, Serbia-Montenegro, Croatia and Bosnia- Herzegovina should resolve the problem of refugees in their respective countries by the end of 2006.

Serbian Commissioner for Refugees Dragisa Dabetic has said that Serbia would try to resolve the problem of refugees mostly through the process of their integration into the local environment or their returning to their homes in Croatia or Bosnia-Herzegovina.

[Hoplite]

Angry Serb chick dogpile on Red6!!!

(walks away, laughing...)

[Bokababe]

You mean Fikret Abdic's followers here.

God yes! What was I thinking???!!!!

[DTA]

>>>>>>> There is a significant difference between intentionally murdering thousands, forced evicions, targeting civilians all in the deliberate attempt to destroy a group of people. Such activity is usually refered to as genocide. Do you know who else had ambitions to create "Lebensraum" for his people? Serbia planned and deliberately wanted to push people from their homeland to expand their national territory. You're no different than the German today complaining that they were bombed in WWII.<<<<

Serbia wanted to extend lebensraum? WTH you are talking about? .

If you compare ethnic makeup of Yugoslavia 1941 (prior Hitler), 1945(after), 1991(prior breakup) and today, it is evident that the Serbs were pushed out from their homeland in Croatia, Bosnia and occupied Serbian province of Kosovo.

Your comparrison of Serbs with Nazis is the real problem of your posts - Nazi revisionism.

One more thing. During WWII, USAAF bombed Germany but suffered horrible casualty of 50%. It was not free turkey shooting of civilians. It was accepted cost of waging war.

In 1999, 19 NATO countries gang raped Serbia and murdered her citizens (not only Serbs) without any real riskto flight crews. NATO was not waging war, it was "humanitarian intervention"

Unlike allied command in WWII, NATO did not admit that citizens of Serbian cities are the prinicipal target although they were, as numbers show (5000+ killed and maimed civilians, 1000 killed and maimed soldiers, 14 tanks destroyed.)

As I said before, you attempt to falsify history and equate Serbs with Nazis.