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Islamic caliphate a dream, not reality-experts
Reuters ^ | 12/13/06 | Andrew Hammond

Posted on 12/13/2006 8:52:20 AM PST by Valin

RIYADH (Reuters) - The creation of an Islamic caliphate, or empire, has long formed part of al Qaeda's world view, and it is a vision that seems to have unsettled Washington. But experts say it will remain just a militants' dream.

Before he went into hiding in 2001, Osama bin Laden often talked of deposing Muslim rulers, seen as beholden to Western powers, and abolishing modern state borders to unite all Muslims under a caliphate -- an Islamic state where God's word was law ruled over by a caliph, or "successor" to Prophet Mohammad. Now al Qaeda militants are talking about setting up a caliphate in west Iraq, and militants calling themselves al Qaeda in Yemen also said recently a caliphate is their goal. Since September, President Bush has warned several times that al Qaeda wants to set up a violent, radical Islamic empire based in Iraq, to unite Muslims under one aegis.

Baghdad was once the center of an Islamic empire that lasted for four centuries -- but experts say the chances of a revival of the ancient Islamic institution are remote. "Al Qaeda could set up an Islamic state in the west of Iraq, if there is no American army there. But it would be difficult for them to penetrate any other state where there is an army and state apparatus," said Saudi analyst Faris bin Houzam. "Their big dream is to set up an Islamic state, but there's nothing to suggest it could happen," he added.

ISLAM'S DIVERSITY

One problem they would face is the huge diversity of religious and political systems in the Middle East today, not least between Sunni and Shi'ite Muslims who argue bitterly over the first four caliphs (632-661 AD) to succeed the Prophet. Shi'ite Iran has developed its own form of Islamic government where supreme authority lies with an Islamic jurist chosen by a body of senior clerics to rule in the place of a disappeared line of descendents of the Prophet. In Saudi Arabia, the adherents of an austere school of Sunni Islam, known as Wahhabism, give their allegiance to the Saudi family to rule as kings in return for wide latitude to enforce their version of sharia, or Islamic law.

"I can see the whole Arab world falling into sectarian violence, so I can't see this caliphate happening," said London-based anthropologist Madawi al-Rasheed, referring to Sunni-Shi'ite tensions in Iraq and Lebanon. "This is just part of (al Qaeda's) war of slogans."

Caliphates took on many different forms in the past. Evolving in time across rival Islamic sects that took power in diverse regions, caliphs often claimed descent from the family of the Prophet but rarely wore the mantle of cleric. The Sunni caliph in Baghdad faced rival claims to lead all Muslims from a Shi'ite caliph in Cairo and a Sunni caliph from a competing dynasty in Muslim Spain.

Lebanese historian Kamal Salibi said the region had already failed to unite under the banner of Arab nationalism after World War Two. "It didn't work with Arab nationalism, and with pan-Islamism it is working less," he said. "The likelihood that states would give up their sovereignty is now more remote than ever before."

POSITIVE CONNOTATIONS

However, the word caliphate, or khilafa in Arabic, still conjures up positive images for most Muslims. Al-Rasheed said the word is being used more and more in a variety of contexts to signify a morally correct order. It is used by mainstream political parties, Muslim communities and politically interested activists on the Internet. "With new communications there is a revival of the idea of a caliphate but as a virtual community with no territorial boundaries," she said, pointing to "diaspora" Muslims in Europe. "Today, in the 21st century, it's a dream of Muslim activists."

Political groups who have indicated a desire to set up a caliphate in their own patch include the Islamist movement in Somalia, Morocco's main opposition group Al Adl Wal Ihssane (Justice and Charity) and Islamist militants in Central Asia. The spiritual head of Nigeria's 70 million Muslims is referred to by followers as "caliph" and the Muslim region of the country is referred to as the Sokoto Caliphate. Jemaah Islamiah, the biggest militant organization in southeast Asia, also dreams of setting up an Islamic state across the region, perhaps using the title "caliphate." But in the Arab world, Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood has chosen not to focus its efforts on the goal of a caliphate, though scholars have often noted that the seminal Arab Islamist group arose -- perhaps filling a certain psychological need -- only four years after the caliphate was abolished in Istanbul.

The Ottoman empire fashioned itself as the inheritor of the first caliphates centered in Damascus, Baghdad and Cairo until Turkey's secular founder Mustafa Kemal Ataturk formally ended the office in 1924, in what Muslims have often viewed as a British imperial plot. "For most of the mainstream and less mainstream political parties of political Islam, the borders of the contemporary state have been accepted," said As'ad AbuKhalil from Lebanon, who teaches politics at the U.S. California State University. "There is absolutely no credence to the notion that the quest for the caliphate is the overriding goal of the Islamist movement in the region."


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Ok, now if someone would please tell the islamists that this is just a dream and will never happen, we can all go home and do more important things..like hugging and kids, and playing with the wife. Unitl then......
1 posted on 12/13/2006 8:52:26 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin
"This is just part of (al Qaeda's) war of slogans."

Key phrase in this article. Trying to convince the public that the threat isn't serious and that it's just rhetoric. Nice try.

2 posted on 12/13/2006 8:59:08 AM PST by The Blitherer ("I will prepare and some day my chance will come.")
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To: Valin

Exactly!

It may only be a dream but those pesky nutjobs are attempting it and that is where the problem is.


3 posted on 12/13/2006 8:59:48 AM PST by avacado
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To: Valin

Communism was just a dream too, but how many million people died during the nightmare of implementation? 50 million in China, 40 million in Russia, who knows?


4 posted on 12/13/2006 8:59:53 AM PST by elhombrelibre (A sober Jimmy Carter says what Mel Gibson would only say in a very drunken rant.)
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To: Valin
Yeah, well, the "experts" are fools to underestimate an enemy. Not only is it possible, but given the fact that 2/3 of our government will be Democrat-controlled by 2008, and Europe will do nothing to stop Iran, a ME/NorthAf Caliphate is an imminent reality in my opinion.
5 posted on 12/13/2006 9:00:04 AM PST by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: Valin

There is a better chance for the Christians to reunite then for the Muslims to form a caliphate. The former would be a miracle and the latter "in your dreams".


6 posted on 12/13/2006 9:00:12 AM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: elhombrelibre

In 1928 the majority of Germans thought that a Nazi takeover was a dream too.


7 posted on 12/13/2006 9:01:34 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Valin

That gas you smell? Its not really Zyklon B, its just intended to kill lice. Be calm. Relax. Nothing will happen to you.


8 posted on 12/13/2006 9:06:03 AM PST by Juan Medén
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To: Valin
It should be titled "Islamic caliphate a dream, not reality - yet.". Oh, wait, my mistake, the title actually says the statement is advanced by "not reality-experts"!
9 posted on 12/13/2006 9:06:26 AM PST by alecqss
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To: dfwgator
In 1928 the majority of Germans thought that a Nazi takeover was a dream too.

Tragic as it seems, we're probably going to have to "officially" lose a government or two in Europe to the Muzzies before the free world actually takes notice. In the case of the U.S., we've already had our Pearl Harbor on 9/11 and better be ready to defend Europe.

10 posted on 12/13/2006 9:06:27 AM PST by AbeKrieger (America is the land of opportunity - not the land of guaranteed outcomes.)
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To: AbeKrieger

We're already losing them--look at what's going on (rioting) in France, the demands being placed on the governments in Belgium, Great Britian, and Germany, among others...


11 posted on 12/13/2006 9:08:22 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: Valin

This is what was written IN ENGLISH.

Imagine what Reuters is distributing in arabic!

These stories are trivial to the arab street. Fluff for the fact that while it may be impossible in fact, the mainstreat of Islam is going to push for a blooding death by death war to establish that fact.

If anything CAIR probably has the author written up for a civil rights crime. Notice how cair is seting themselves up as an Isamic Sharia Thought Police in the USA?


12 posted on 12/13/2006 9:08:27 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Valin
Dear Muslims:

Those of us in the west might be more open to understanding your religion if only we could tell who the Real Muslims are.

There's only one way to settle this, the old fashioned way, with swords. And the only place with enough space (an a great central location) is Saudi Arabia.

So instead of going on that boring old hajj this year, I encourage all Muslims to go to S. Arabia, and let Allah decide who are his true followers, in trial by combat.

If enough of the True Muslims kill enough of the "apostate" Muslims, well the issue should be settled, may Allah be the referee.

The "true" survivors could then try to convert the rest of the world by the sword. Of course, there will be a lot less of you, and we won't be using swords.

The survivors of that struggle should just be forced to convert to Judaism or Christianity, or at least pay some form of tax.

But only the TRUE muslims. We don't want to waste any depleted uranium on fake Muslims. It's up to you guys to sort that part out. You may begin to ululate at any time...

13 posted on 12/13/2006 9:15:14 AM PST by Kenton
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To: Valin

Nothing to be concerned about here citizens. Please, go on about your business. Everything is completely under control.


14 posted on 12/13/2006 9:17:22 AM PST by DManA
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To: avacado
"It may only be a dream, but those pesky nutjobs are attempting it, and that is where the problem is."

Why do we Freepers always need to point out the obvious facts that the MSM misses? The MSM will go back and forth between "Bush has exaggerated the terrorist threat" to "Why didn't Bush connect the dots?" But if the threat is allegedly illusory, why should Bush be looking for any dots to connect?
15 posted on 12/13/2006 9:21:22 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Valin
It may be a dream, but there are millions out there that are willing to kill us all to make it come true. Even if they can't succeed in making it come true, they can succeed in killing millions of us, if we let them. Let's not.
16 posted on 12/13/2006 9:22:15 AM PST by El Gato
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To: dfwgator
"In 1928 the majority of Germans thought that a Nazi takeover was a dream too."

And - 20 years ago - who would have thought that Mohammed would be the most common name for male babies born in Belgium in 2005?
17 posted on 12/13/2006 9:25:02 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Valin

More cover for the enemy, courtesy of Reuters.


18 posted on 12/13/2006 9:25:46 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: AbeKrieger

" better be ready to defend Europe."

We did it twice, that's enough. Europe will go down because of their own degrading culture and not because of invasion. Let them reap what they have sown.


19 posted on 12/13/2006 9:37:32 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: Valin

The mahdi they are expecting will unite Sunni and Shia - they'll come together for the sake of the caliphate.


20 posted on 12/13/2006 9:40:21 AM PST by agrace (http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/agrace/)
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