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Falling prices trap new homebuyers
The Orange County Register ^ | December 13, 2006 | JEFF COLLINS

Posted on 12/13/2006 4:40:07 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Wednesday, December 13, 2006

Falling prices trap new homebuyers

Neighbors in a new Garden Grove tract say a developer's plan to slash prices by about $140,000 has left them owing more for their homes than they're now worth.

By JEFF COLLINS

The Orange County Register

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bubble; depression; despair; doom; dustbowl; grapesofwrath; housing; housingbubble; iluvwilliegreen; imtomjoad; prop13rules; realestate; schadenfreude; wearealltoast
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To: pfony1; Fierce Allegiance; GodGunsGuts
Median real estate prices are down in every major city in America except for FOUR cities.

Click Here for Proof

301 posted on 12/13/2006 12:48:49 PM PST by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I like the OFHEO numbers because they track the SAME houses period to period, so there should be little price distortion related to the changing MIX of houses sold, month to month.

Nevertheless, as an "agreeable person", I'll certainly consider any index that you recommend.

I doubt that you know any words that rhyme with OFHEO, anyway...


302 posted on 12/13/2006 12:50:21 PM PST by pfony1
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To: ex-Texan
I don't click the links of a

Liar.


303 posted on 12/13/2006 12:54:30 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (SAY NO TO RUDY!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

THIS NAR report:

http://www.realtor.org/press_room/news_releases/2006/ehs_oct06_existing_home_sales_stabilizing.html

shows a median existing home price of $221,000 and an existing median existing condo price of $214,300, each at the end of October, 2006.

If you accept those prices as the "starting points" to be compared with analogous prices at the end of March 2007, we have a "deal".


304 posted on 12/13/2006 1:05:53 PM PST by pfony1
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To: GodGunsGuts

I'm sorry, but I overlooked this condition of yours:

"...Also, we have to agree that we will publish said limerick every time whichever report we choose comes out for the next two years..."

I don't like this condition because:

(1) I prefer "quality" to "quantity"
(2) A commitment to do 24 discrete tasks over a 24-month period doesn't sound like "fun" to me.

Of course, in the unlikely event that I have to compose a limerick for you, you are free to post that limerick as many times as you like, wherever you like.

Just to get "the little grey cells working" this afternoon, I'm trying to think of a word that rhymes with your name but which does not start with "P".

Hmmm....


305 posted on 12/13/2006 1:22:51 PM PST by pfony1
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To: pfony1

I say we look at the quarterly report for US metro prices put out by the NAR. There is one for SFH and one for Condos/coops. If they are both negative, I win. If they are both positive you win. If it is mixed, it's a draw. What do you say???


306 posted on 12/13/2006 1:47:52 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: FreedomCalls
Thanks for the list. Are those existing homes? I was referring to New homes being built by Toll Brothers.

I suspect the majority of homes that have been reduced were overpriced to begin with.. Just an observation of what I've seen in my 3 year hunt for a larger home.
307 posted on 12/13/2006 2:25:59 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts ("So, I put on some tangerine lip gloss and answered the door.. I was one lucky woman.")
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To: divine_moment_of_facts
Toll Brothers sees no end to home slump
November 7 2006

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Toll Brothers became the latest builder to cut guidance as its founder said he sees no end of the deep slump in home building.

"We continue to look for signs that a recovery is imminent but can't yet say that one is in sight," said a statement from company Chairman and CEO Robert Toll. "We see some signs of pent-up demand when we have special sales events or new community openings. And in some markets, good weeks are interspersed amongst weaker ones."

The builder of luxury homes reported preliminary results that showed revenue in the quarter ending Oct. 31 fell 10 percent to $1.81 billion, slightly below the $1.87 billion forecast of analysts surveyed by earnings tracker First Call.

The company also warned it will deliver 6,300 and 7,300 homes in the fiscal year that began last week. This compares to its previous guidance of 7,000 to 8,000 deliveries.

A big part of the weaker-than-expected results for the nation's No. 6 home builder was a jump in canceled orders.

308 posted on 12/13/2006 2:54:44 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Fierce Allegiance; ex-Texan

309 posted on 12/13/2006 2:54:59 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: RockinRight

OH YA. I've seen them do it here in AZ and I can take you right smack dab to some of those houses.

We were asked to put a bid on a job where we had to prep three lots (1.5 acres each) and build a speck road. So we went out, did all the leg work such as shooting the grades, estimating the materials and machinery time. We submitted the bid and we found out later that we lost because the As%^&le developer added another 100% onto the bid. I went down there and G' Dammed near tore his greedy head off asking him why he added that on the top.

His answer? "Well I need to make some money on this too!"
The greedy bastard already was making over three hundred grand on the three houses he had planned to build on those sites.


310 posted on 12/13/2006 3:16:20 PM PST by crz
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To: pfony1

I say we get our prices here. It contains links for SFHs and Condos. Like I said, if they are both up, you win. If they are both down, I win. If they are mixed, it's a draw. Are you game? Here's the link:

http://www.realtor.org/Research.nsf/Pages/MetroPrice


311 posted on 12/13/2006 3:46:23 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Obie Wan
"... Moral of this story, if you've got money to buy a house..."

Me and 95% of Californians stopped reading right there, senor.

312 posted on 12/13/2006 3:51:28 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: RobRoy
I met a man in Foley, Ala. that had just moved there from Whittier, Ca. Sold his home there for an astronomical amount, and paid .10 on the dollar for his new home in Foley.
313 posted on 12/13/2006 4:09:17 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: FreedomCalls
"We continue to look for signs that a recovery is imminent but can't yet say that one is in sight," said a statement from company Chairman and CEO Robert Toll."..

Recovery? LOL.. They act like a correction in the Over-Priced housing market is the Great Depression. It's a cycle like the one we went through in the late 80's/early 90's

Wasn't Donald Trump on the verge of bankruptcy 10 years ago? It sure didn't hurt him any...
314 posted on 12/13/2006 4:21:55 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts ("So, I put on some tangerine lip gloss and answered the door.. I was one lucky woman.")
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To: BurbankKarl

With the exception of Whittier and Pasadena, I remember when no one would have even considered living in the other areas.


315 posted on 12/13/2006 4:25:32 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: CIB-173RDABN
It is never ours, we only "rent" it from the government. And the government should be allowed to raise the rent as often as the market will tolerate, and if you can not pay, get out and let someone else have it. This country has really gone down hill over the past half century if we have people that belive this is the case.

That's about the size of it. Kelo vs. New London established the purpose of private property in the United States is to generate revenue for the government.

316 posted on 12/13/2006 4:41:48 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: BurbankKarl

So... prices in affluent areas are tending to drop, while prices in 'less-desirable' areas are rising. Sounds like a bit of migration to more 'affordable' areas of living from people who got in too deep in the pricier ZIP codes.

A year ago, I betcha there wasn't an affluent ZIP code with dropping median prices (in SoCal).


317 posted on 12/13/2006 4:54:05 PM PST by zoyd (I'm with the government. We're going to make you like your neighbor.)
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To: goldstategop
I think new Federal laws don't allow people to walk await from mortgages anymore.
They are stuck I think.
318 posted on 12/13/2006 4:59:02 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: goldstategop
I think new Federal laws don't allow people to walk await from mortgages anymore.
They are stuck I think.
319 posted on 12/13/2006 4:59:11 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: goldstategop
I think new Federal laws don't allow people to walk await from mortgages anymore.
They are stuck I think.
320 posted on 12/13/2006 4:59:25 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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