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Japan Seeks More Efficiency As Population Drops
Wall Street Journal ^ | December 12, 2006 | Sebastian Moffett

Posted on 12/12/2006 1:15:43 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: zeugma
Unless the Japanese start having children, they are toast. No amount of "productivity increase" is going to support them when the entire country is 60+ years old.

It used to be that one reason for having lots of kids was so that you could have somebody take care of you when you were old. The eldest son could be counted on, because he would be counting on inheriting the family farm if he fulfilled his duties. But with pensions and retirement accounts, that incentive goes away

Quick fix: change the tax laws so that a percentage of taxes paid by children go directly to their retirement-age parents.

21 posted on 12/12/2006 2:58:50 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Having spent significant time in Japan and observing the Japanese at work, I can safely say they treat their women like crap.

It is a wonder that they breed at all.

C.W.


22 posted on 12/12/2006 3:07:57 PM PST by colderwater
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To: gaijin

Sounds good. I only wish that we over here could do the same.


23 posted on 12/12/2006 3:23:12 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (“Don’t overestimate the decency of the human race.” —H. L. Mencken)
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To: RightWhale
They are depopulating.

Percentage of population by age in Japan.

0-14 years: 14.2%
15-64 years: 65.7%
65 years and over: 20%
Birth rate: 9.37 births/1,000 population

Death Rate:9.16 deaths/1,000 population

As you can see their death rate is only slightly lower then their birth rate. When you add in that the number of those over 65 is vastly greater then those under 15 you have a population in decline.

If you do not have people entering the work force at the same rate as you have people leaving it then you have a problem.

Greater efficiency will help, for a time, with the work situation but they need to figure out what social pressures are causing the decline.

24 posted on 12/12/2006 3:47:48 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Those who call their fellow citizens Sheeple are just ticked they were not chosen as Shepherds)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

They are and that is not the wonderful thing. The wonderful thing is that when they were at 90 million they were worried about overpopulation, and now they are way over 100 million, supposedly way into overpopulation, and worried about depopulation. Is that not amazing?


25 posted on 12/12/2006 3:59:20 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: RightWhale
I guess it is a "what direction are you heading?" thing.
26 posted on 12/12/2006 4:06:31 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Those who call their fellow citizens Sheeple are just ticked they were not chosen as Shepherds)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

There are a couple of approaches to change. One is to say 'oh no, things are changing all is lost.' Another approach is to say 'change is inevitable, let's make some adjustments.' Population can be a tricky thing to manage. In Japan they seem to prefer to find Japanese and hardly anybody else. But they could bring in some african moslems to tide them over. That might be an interesting clash of ethnicities.


27 posted on 12/12/2006 4:30:41 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Don't know why.


28 posted on 12/12/2006 4:31:04 PM PST by packrat35 (guest worker/day worker=SlaveMart)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
It probably depends on how you define "welfare state." I believe Japan has a universal, government-run health care system and either a government-run pension system or private pensions operating under government mandates.

These two things cost a nation far more than any "welfare state" in the classical sense of the term.

29 posted on 12/12/2006 4:31:20 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: RightWhale
Population is best, I believe, not managed at all. China is a great example of what happens when you try to manage populations.

Japan will adjust and be ok. They will need to make some cultural adjustments.

I doubt they will import though. That would be a bit to much of an adjustment for them.

30 posted on 12/12/2006 4:36:22 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Those who call their fellow citizens Sheeple are just ticked they were not chosen as Shepherds)
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To: decimon
Do they retire? That's a serious question as I do not know if they tend to retire or go on to different jobs.

You are right. That's a good question. Eventually, the concept of "retirement" may go away again. Retirement is a relatively new concept in historical terms so this may not be such a bad thing. There are going to be a lot of elderly leeches that are going to be unhappy though.

31 posted on 12/12/2006 5:58:58 PM PST by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: SauronOfMordor
It used to be that one reason for having lots of kids was so that you could have somebody take care of you when you were old. The eldest son could be counted on, because he would be counting on inheriting the family farm if he fulfilled his duties. But with pensions and retirement accounts, that incentive goes away

It went away because people bought into the concept of Uncle Sugar taking care of them in their old age. Too bad Uncle Sugar is a thief with no sense of accountability. There are going to be a lot of unhappy baby boomers not all that terribly far into the future. I, for one am not going to be having much sympathy for their attempts to pick my pockets.

  Quick fix: change the tax laws so that a percentage of taxes paid by children go directly to their retirement-age parents.

A better idea would be to change the tax laws so that every dime you pay goes to private accounts. Those without retirement money will either have to figure out some way of making some, or go on welfare, which is basically what SS really is.

32 posted on 12/12/2006 6:03:14 PM PST by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

they don't need more efficiency; they need more babies!


33 posted on 12/12/2006 6:12:56 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: zeugma
A better idea would be to change the tax laws so that every dime you pay goes to private accounts. Those without retirement money will either have to figure out some way of making some, or go on welfare, which is basically what SS really is.

Social security, IRA's, pensions -- all of them depend on the assumption that there will be a next generation who will pay the taxes and be employed in the businesses that will pay the dividends and capital gains to keep it all afloat. Without a viable next generation, it doesn't matter how you've invested your money.

The middle class needs an incentive to reproduce, and the underclass needs a disincentive. We currently have it backwards

34 posted on 12/12/2006 6:13:45 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Who needs people?

35 posted on 12/12/2006 9:10:08 PM PST by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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