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The GOP's most important question in the upcoming years:

"'Are we where the voters are?'

1 posted on 12/11/2006 11:06:48 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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2 posted on 12/11/2006 11:07:41 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

You can try to figure out where the votes are, and position yourself there, or you can try to persuade the voters. To do neither is a losing strategy.


3 posted on 12/11/2006 11:09:41 PM PST by marron
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To: Luis Gonzalez
picture that emerged from last month's elections, at both the state and the federal level, showed a majority of voters weary of hard-line, intransigent ideologues on the far right.

Oh please, spare me this deranged spew. If only the GOP were more "far right" and ideological. If they were, we wouldn't have had massive spending and unsecured borders. And somehow I doubt voters would send a message about being against "instransigent ideologues" by voting for the worst ideologues ever to populate Congress in the form of Pelosi and her far left extremist pathological, stand for nothing, agendless, visionless caucus.

But this writer knows damned good and well voters voted the way they did because the media portrayed for them one side of American's condition domestically and its position in the world and on Iraq, all of it negative, while reporting nothing about a record economy or the success we've had fighting terrorism and rebuilding Iraq. That is the long and the short if this election and this writer knows it because he/she/it helped to brainwash voters into voting against the president and party who helped give them the best conditions they've enjoyed in a long, long time. It's hardly as this delusional idiot claims that voters were voting against partisan extremes by voting for extreme partisans. Give me a break.

6 posted on 12/11/2006 11:15:40 PM PST by MikeA (Where's the media to call the elections a "temper tantrum" by America like they did in 1994?)
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"On the contrary, we would say that it is both a sign of leadership and a necessary asset to realize the wisdom in compromising on 10 or 20 percent of the issues in order to achieve success on 80 percent of the others."

You know, moderate Republicans love to tell us conservatives to compromise on that 10 to 20% in order to get 80%, but they never deliver even 10 or 20% of the 80% they promise. I'm looking but I don't see no stinking 80% of fiscal restraint and small government ANYWHERE.


8 posted on 12/11/2006 11:16:37 PM PST by CitizenUSA
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"'Are we where the voters are?'

Oh by all means let's do follow the mob. After all, there's no way all those people could be wrong is there.

And besides, it's not the job of elected leaders to, well, lead. They've got to follow the whims of the majority and make sure they get what they want.

Then they've got to see that they get it good and hard.

L

13 posted on 12/11/2006 11:22:02 PM PST by Lurker (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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We are more inclined to agree with Steve Huffman, a Republican moderate...

It never fails to irritate me to see the tendentious use of "moderate"--as, for instance, in "moderate Republican" or (as used here, the obverse) "Republican moderate."

In such expressions, the writer (or speaker) invariably considers the noun to be something of disrepute; the adjective "moderate" confers upon it an aura of semi-respectability.

It is, of course, enormously condescending. Better to be openly despised than to be treated as a credit to one's kind...such as it is.

14 posted on 12/11/2006 11:23:43 PM PST by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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There is nothing in this fluffy editorial that supports the idea that the nation is searching high and low for people who want to make deals on principles for the sake of national unity. That's the kind of empty talk that comes from people who have been on the short end of power for over a decade and want to get back on top, not from people who have a vision of what should actually be happening and a plan to accomplish it.

As has been illustrated ad nauseam for the past six years, nearly every attempt at bipartisanship by the Bush White House has been met with cries that it wasn't nearly enough (prescription drugs, No Child Left Behind, etc). Ironically, the one compromise that Bush did that was truly Solomonesque -- allowing Federal funding of embryonic stem cell research for the first time, but only on existing lines -- has become a rallying point for the Democrats because Bush refused to allow human beings at their earliest stage to be treated like rats bred for lab experiments.

If the question is "'Are we where the voters are?'" why don't YOU, Luis, tell us where YOU think they are -- and what the GOP has to do to meet them. And none of this bullschtuff about not being ideologues or being open to dialogue, because that's the kind of nonsense that led to that worthless Iraq Study Group report. Be specific, if you actually have issues that pique you. Let's see if you're up to the task.

16 posted on 12/11/2006 11:25:43 PM PST by L.N. Smithee ("Bipartisanship...has become a higher value than justice..." - Bill Bennett on the Iraq Study Group)
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LOL, I couldn't get past the first line, which was, of course, a baldfaced lie.


17 posted on 12/11/2006 11:26:12 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I think the Republicans lost for a simple reason - they became what they beheld. They promised smaller, cleaner government, which would deal harshly with America's enemies and be strong on protecting the country. In delivery, the Republicans were only a slight improvement on what the Democrats would have done - they had a twinge of conscience as they mercilessly expanded government, formed a cabal to make President Bush treat terrorist prisoners better, and failed to grapple with illegal immigration comprehensively.

By their own yardstick, the Republicans did not achieve their objectives. The remedy available to voters was to put the other fellow in - many of them were lulled by the fact that "Blue Dog" Democrats claimed to share their values. It was a lie, of course.

Regards, Ivan

18 posted on 12/11/2006 11:29:17 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Which ones?


21 posted on 12/11/2006 11:32:30 PM PST by jwh_Denver (Until Republicans learn why they lost the election they will continue to lose them)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The Arizona Red Star could not hide its glee the voters are moving towards Communism.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

33 posted on 12/11/2006 11:40:16 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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This piece is a load of crap. Conservatism didn't lose, the Republican party lost. Want to see where Liberal Republicanism gets us ? Take a look at California, Illinois, New Jersey, New England. The party continues to slip away there because there is little to nothing to distinguish them from the 'Rats, either ideologically or ethically.


37 posted on 12/11/2006 11:42:36 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

The person/people that wrote this article don't have a damn clue as to what they're talking about. Instead, what they've written is merely what they wish to be true.


40 posted on 12/11/2006 11:44:40 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Luis Gonzalez

This article isn't even close to what these elections were about....geez!


69 posted on 12/12/2006 12:04:19 AM PST by TheLion (We are not the health maintenance organization for Mexico)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Wow, the editorial board of a newspaper wants to help out Republicans. I can believe that. Not.


128 posted on 12/12/2006 1:46:36 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

When did you cross the border?


129 posted on 12/12/2006 1:46:57 AM PST by primatreat (Alzheimer's in all its glory is knocking at my door. Driving into the sunset with GPS)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The picture that emerged from last month's elections, at both the state and the federal level, showed a majority of voters weary of hard-line, intransigent ideologues on the far right.

The irony is that the Republican party is neither "far right" nor full of "intransigent ideologues" at all. The MSM never stopped repeating the mantra that the evangelicals were running the GOP. Of course it's a lie, but it succeeded in getting independents to run away from the GOP as fast and as far as possible. The fact of the matter is, the evangelicals, ie the theocon Falwell/Dobson types, are the party fringe. Bush and the Republicans gave them almost nothing they desired. Essentially we have regular folks voting Democrat because they naturally fear the theocon GOP, yet the theocons have practically no influence on the party whatsoever, which is why the theocons stayed home on election day.

149 posted on 12/12/2006 3:00:12 AM PST by Sandy
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Right ,we want moderates ,But dont forget dont say the N word , Dont say Merry Christmas,Dont forget Separation of Church And state ,Do something to prevent Global warming ,do send your child to school everyday 90 minutes each way so he or she can look at a child of a different color,ride a bike to work dont drive an suv,dont smoke ,dont eat meat ,dont say homosexuals are not normal,do allow people who storm our bordrers to stay and by all means dont call them illegal aliens you might offend themand by all means dont question the smartest among us ,you know from Hollywood like Babs ,Alec Baldwin and the rest .


171 posted on 12/12/2006 3:28:33 AM PST by ballplayer
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I call BS on the article.


189 posted on 12/12/2006 4:13:23 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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"rejected rigid ideologues in favor of those who promised moderation"

Yes; "rigid ideologues" like Jeb Bradley, Charlie Bass, Jim Leach, Mike DeWine, Nancy Johnson, etc.

192 posted on 12/12/2006 4:24:34 AM PST by MSF BU
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