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GOP Is Losing Its Libertarian Voters
HUMAN EVENTS ^ | Dec 08, 2006 | David Boaz and David Kirby

Posted on 12/10/2006 10:04:01 PM PST by neverdem

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To: prov1813man
PROV1813MAN WROTE: "While both the actions were, objectively, votes for dims and terrorists, they still indicate a need for more, not less conservatism from the republican party."

EXACTLY!!!!!

If REPUBLICAN candidates would run on the REPUBLICAN Platform, they would get REPUBLICAN voters to vote for them instead of staying home!!!

It's such a NO-BRAINER, I do not understand why President Bush and the RNC don't "get it." President Bush has an MBA from Harvard. He has had marketing. He, of ALL people in his administration, should understand it.

21 posted on 12/10/2006 10:24:33 PM PST by Concerned (My Motto: It's NEVER wrong to do what's RIGHT!!!)
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To: neverdem

Piss poor analysis.


22 posted on 12/10/2006 10:25:04 PM PST by pissant
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To: Indy Pendance

You're right and I bet we could name the 10 people here who would make the effort to attend.

Today was absolutely amazing for its level of disgust and full out histrionics. I almost offered the keyboard jocks Tampons.


23 posted on 12/10/2006 10:30:16 PM PST by onyx (San Diego Chargers! La Danian Tomlinson and Phillip Rivers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: dfwgator; Indy Pendance

Yeah, great attitude. Guess you won't need our votes in 2008 either. Good luck with the big-government "compassionate" conservatism thing boys.


24 posted on 12/10/2006 10:33:11 PM PST by billybudd
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To: neverdem

Libertarians aren't really a natural part of the GOP constituency, and shouldn't be treated as such or relied upon in any way.


25 posted on 12/10/2006 10:34:34 PM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: neverdem
We need them. Like it or not there are a lot of small government voters in this country. And they've demonstrated they'll vote for whoever leaves them alone.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

26 posted on 12/10/2006 10:34:46 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Darkwolf377
Zogby is a joke if he believes this is an accurate reading of the public's true feelings and positions. 44% Libertarians? Gimme a break.

44% is probably understating it. A huge majority of the American public still wants a small, unintrusive government. The only people that want an intrusive government are socialists and social conservatives.

A large number of people that vote Democrat aren't socialists but vote for the Dems because they fear the theocons in control of the Republican party.

In the same way , a large number of people that vote Republican aren't really social conservatives but vote for the GOP anyway because they fear the socialists in control of the Democratic party.

The parties are due for a realignment - hopefully all the small government voters can unite and save this country from the big government types that control both the Republican and Democratic parties.

27 posted on 12/10/2006 10:34:47 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: HitmanLV
Libertarians aren't really a natural part of the GOP constituency, and shouldn't be treated as such or relied upon in any way.

Fine, forget the label 'libertarian' and replace it with 'moderate' or 'centrist'.

You want us out of the party as well?

28 posted on 12/10/2006 10:35:53 PM PST by Wormwood (Everybody is lying---but it doesn't matter because nobody is listening)
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To: JeffAtlanta
In the same way , a large number of people that vote Republican aren't really social conservatives but vote for the GOP anyway because they fear the socialists in control of the Democratic party.

*ahem*

29 posted on 12/10/2006 10:36:49 PM PST by Wormwood (Everybody is lying---but it doesn't matter because nobody is listening)
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To: B Knotts
Libertarians are classical liberals: pro free market and keep government out of my guns, bedroom and personal life liberals. They are NOT social conservatives.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

30 posted on 12/10/2006 10:37:00 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Darkwolf377
"One more bit from our post-election Zogby poll: We asked voters if they considered themselves “fiscally conservative and socially liberal.” A whopping 59% said they did. When we added to the question “also known as libertarian,” 44% still claimed that description. That’s too many voters for any party to ignore."

Zogby is a joke if he believes this is an accurate reading of the public's true feelings and positions. 44% Libertarians? Gimme a break.

Go back to the bolded part. I wouldn't be surprised if folks who described themselves as fiscally conservative and socially liberal also called themselves as libertarians.

31 posted on 12/10/2006 10:39:22 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: pissant
Piss poor analysis.

Crudely stated, but essentially correct.

Apparently they asked voters a series of questions and those whose answers were "fiscally conservative and socially liberal" were deemed Libertarians. Those who were actually members of the Libertarian party were probably a small subset of that total

This looks to me like an effort by Boaz et al to make the Libertarian party more influential at the polls than it actually is.

32 posted on 12/10/2006 10:39:25 PM PST by Ceebass
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To: HitmanLV
Libertarians aren't really a natural part of the GOP constituency, and shouldn't be treated as such or relied upon in any way.

LOL - Small government, fiscal conservatives aren't a "natural part of the GOP"? Exactly what do you think is the natural constituency of the GOP?

With attitudes that I've seen here by the theocons, unless the democrats do something really stupid (which they are prone to do), they are going to be in power for a long time.

33 posted on 12/10/2006 10:42:03 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: onyx

I went to 4 algore freeps before I was a registered 'freeper'. I wonder how many posters have actually 'freeped' an event. Now, it's just stating opinions, being witty, and do nothing other than gripe and moan about how bad stuff is. And don't forget to post your latest porn crap. I wonder, how many of these posters actually 'do' stuff to advance conservatism, other than bitch on a forum. It's really sad if you think about it. How many volunteer at the local office? How many stuff envelopes? How many actually do something to advance conservativism? "But I post my opinions on an internet site". It's apparent most are forum warriors and don't do diddly to advance conservative causes. They just glom onto the topic du jour and that's that.


34 posted on 12/10/2006 10:42:57 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: JeffAtlanta
I agree. If Republicans want to be a Southern only party, they'll be in the minority for a long time.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

35 posted on 12/10/2006 10:43:24 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: billybudd

You just don't get it.


36 posted on 12/10/2006 10:43:42 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: everyone

These Libertarian swine deserve a lot of blame. If we'd had three more Senate seats in the last Congress, things could have been quite different. They blame us for problems that they in part create.


37 posted on 12/10/2006 10:46:15 PM PST by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: Ceebass
Apparently they asked voters a series of questions and those whose answers were "fiscally conservative and socially liberal" were deemed Libertarians.

"Fiscally conservative and socially liberal" voters certainly are small "L" libertatians. The article was primarily dealing with libertarians not members of the Libertarian Party.

38 posted on 12/10/2006 10:46:32 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: Indy Pendance

I started working in local campaigns when I was 21. Pete Wilson was running for CA Assemblyman in my district. As you know, he later won election for Mayor of San Diego, U.S. Senator and finally Governor of CA. I love campaign work.

You and I both know that darn few people here actually work in campaigns: there's not enough hours in the day, given the time they spend here.


39 posted on 12/10/2006 10:48:17 PM PST by onyx (San Diego Chargers! La Danian Tomlinson and Phillip Rivers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: California Patriot
These Libertarian swine deserve a lot of blame. If we'd had three more Senate seats in the last Congress, things could have been quite different. They blame us for problems that they in part create.

That's exactly the attitude I'm talking about - you attack the small "L" libertarian voters and then you get upset when they don't vote for you.

If the GOP wants libertarian votes then they need to embrace smaller, less intrusive government. It's actually pretty simple.

40 posted on 12/10/2006 10:50:09 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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