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CA: Droves say goodbye to Golden State
Mercury News ^ | 12/10/06 | Mike Swift

Posted on 12/10/2006 10:28:48 AM PST by NormsRevenge

Wayne Brown gave up $40,000 in income to move from the Bay Area to Kansas. And he feels great.

It got to be too much last year for the college information-technology officer: the commute to downtown San Francisco that sometimes took two hours, the housing-price spiral and the high-wire borrowing that paid for it.

``I would find myself sitting in traffic,'' Brown recalled, ``screaming at people.''

When the Kansas job came up in early 2005, Brown and his wife, Teresa, sold two Bay Area homes and happily settled in a suburb of Kansas City. They have never looked back.

The Browns are an example of what demographers say appears to be an unprecedented phenomenon -- even in a good economy, more people are leaving California for other states than are arriving from the rest of the country.

Between 2004 and 2005, the migration flow into California from the other 49 states started flowing the other way. Data from the state Department of Finance shows that, for the first time this decade, more people left California in 2005 for another state than the number who moved in. Mary Heim, a finance department demographer, says this particular kind of outflow will continue for the foreseeable future.

Unlike the tens of thousands who left Silicon Valley following the tech bust earlier this decade, the new migration is about the quest for something besides a job: a better quality of life at a lower cost of living.

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... California's population of 37 million people is still growing, because of a surplus of births over deaths and because of foreign immigration.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2bsayingbyeoon; caexodus; california; crimigration; droves; foreigninvasion; goldenstate; goodbye; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; invasionusa; landoffruitsandnuts; thirdworldstate
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To: NormsRevenge

"I wouldn't mind the Flagstaff area, if I could afford it.. maybe I could take up golf or something.."

Take your jacket and earmuffs.


181 posted on 12/10/2006 6:13:52 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Plains Drifter

No~ and you certainly gave me something to think about. Look at Flagstaff, how liberal it is with NAU or UofA in Tucson, another liberal zone, then there is ASU and the libs at Tempe that defeated JD Hayworth last month.


182 posted on 12/10/2006 6:15:40 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: truth_seeker

It's a few thousand feet up there,, I'll use a black ball with a orange stripe... and an oxygen mask,, it's almost 7,000 feet in that area


183 posted on 12/10/2006 6:17:55 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08 .... Now is as good as any time for a GOPurge.)
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To: truth_seeker

Flagstaff is expensive -- a lot of wealthy from Scottsdale have summer/vacation places up there. Also very liberal thanks to NAU -- it is gorgeous, however. I love visiting there. Close to the ski resort and two hours from Lake Powell. Of course I'm biased, but Arizona is a beautiful state.


184 posted on 12/10/2006 6:18:07 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Rumplemeyer

Be careful where you settle. SE Florida is filled with left-wingers from New York and New Jersey.


185 posted on 12/10/2006 6:18:33 PM PST by Clemenza (I have such a raging clue!)
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To: ElkGroveDan
"I'm just not ready to call it quits to this beautiful state full of good people."

Me neither, but I'll admit it's getting harder and harder to push it out of my mind everyday... Harder and HARDER!!!

186 posted on 12/10/2006 6:21:57 PM PST by SierraWasp (Proud "100 percenter," wanting CA & US sticking with winning "core" conservatism 100% of the time!!!)
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To: Clemenza
Lib areas always seem to be tony and way overpriced. Shun them.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

187 posted on 12/10/2006 6:22:47 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: LdSentinal

It's 3000 square feet.


188 posted on 12/10/2006 6:25:25 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: SierraWasp

Memories, one of my fondest memories of California being stopped dead in six lanes of freeway traffic packed bumper to bumper and some clown in a California Highway Patrol cruiser two cars back running his red light and siren wanting me to pull over from the number 2 lane so he could get where he had to go. You gotta love it!


189 posted on 12/10/2006 6:29:16 PM PST by Plains Drifter (America First, Last, and Always!!!)
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To: oceanview
there is no where to run to anymore. sure, you can buy yourself some time. but there is no "utopia" in america anymore, whatever problems you have in the state you are fleeing from, its coming to your destination state in time. that's why I stay in NY.

Ditto why I live in NJ and don't plan on leaving anytime soon. My parent's area in South Florida is essentially Scarsdale South in terms of politics, accents, and attitudes, the formerly Republican precincts in SE Pennsylvania have been inundated with NY/Philly Lefties like my Aunt, and Texas is too damn humid, at least in the cities that have jobs.

190 posted on 12/10/2006 6:29:29 PM PST by Clemenza (I have such a raging clue!)
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To: doorgunner69
Within the last year or so, yes. I 'd hardly call it a cesspool. Have you walked through Guadalupe, near Phoenix lately? How about the lower West Side of Chicago? East St. Louis? Washington, DC? Detroit? Little Havana? Are all those states "Third World sewers" because they have some blighted spots?

Have you walked through Avalon, South Orange County, Malibu, Manhattan Beach, La Jolla, Santa Barbara, Woodland Hills, Palo Alto, Palm Springs, Palos Verdes, Foster City, Lake Tahoe, and on and on?

Don't you find it a little ironic that the same thread that lists a million dollar price tag for a small home calls the same state a "Third World sewer"?
191 posted on 12/10/2006 6:34:39 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie
A Freeper here listed a dump in Cupertino that goes for a million dollars.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

192 posted on 12/10/2006 6:39:41 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave
Thinking about going back myself.

Let's see... Ernest_at_the_KC Stock Yards. Yea, I guess it has a nice ring to it...

193 posted on 12/10/2006 6:41:15 PM PST by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: Theresawithanh

"I loved most things about living in California, had many friends, and we were doing something every weekend in that wonderful state full of great places to go, close to the beaches, close to one of the most beautiful cities in the world, San Francisco. I moved to WA state to be closer to family, and am very glad I did. "

I used to say the same thing...funny,. tho, I don't do much of anything anymore. The beach? Too crowded, too many illegals drinking beer and harrassing people, strollers everywhere, dirty baby diapers on the sidewalk, in the sand, wierd, creepy middle eastern guys staring outright at anything female...same for museums - too crowded, baby strollers everywhere (and god help you if you don't get out of the precious liberal babies way), illegals dumping their kids there for babysitting, they run wild and break anything not nailed down (or even nailed down)...don't go to the mountains, can't afford the rentals, the traffic up, or the lines on the slopes...can't go hiking, everywhere is innundated with SUVS all weekend, and even more strollers and liberals...and traffic...movies? Forget it. Rude kids, cell phones, attitude. I don't do anything in SF anymore because of the crime, traffic, homeless people peeing and defecting on the street, the liberals...

SF is losing it's beauty, with every over-priced "luxury" condo high rise that goes up. All of the character of SF was erased in the .com boom, and was finished up with the housing boom, and whatever culture is left hides from fear of being targeted by the SF City Council and their effete Mayor.

It's gone from thinking bout getting out, to figuring out when - my entire family left, most of my friends have moved away, and the majority of the people I run into daily are the kind of people everyone else moved to get away from. I had a discussion with a born and raised Californian recently, who's very liberal, and she said she hates what CA has become, and the liberals here now scare her, as she doesnt think they're liberal at all. She's happy now, several states away, but almost cried when she saw what her state had become in only a few years.

NY has an unfair reputation for being rude, but they can't hold a candle to "Californians". (I was raised in NY, I know better, New Yorkers are the friendliest people around, they just have little patience for the idiocy of Californians). I've lived in my apartment for a year and a half now, and the ONE neighbor I saw and greeted, grunted and glared at me, and slammed his door in my face.

California will become the ultimate liberal nirvanah - mile after mile of ghetto and bario, with walled and armed enclaves for rich liberals scattered here and there. We're almost there - but i won't be.


194 posted on 12/10/2006 6:42:13 PM PST by ByDesign
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To: carolinalivin

"Chinese and Filipinos in droves"
And that is bad why?


195 posted on 12/10/2006 6:50:22 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: KevinDavis
Count me as one those heading to AZ.

Hey, you're a Freeper, you're VERY welcome here in AZ.

196 posted on 12/10/2006 6:54:15 PM PST by McGavin999 (Republicans take out our trash, Democrats re-elect theirs)
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To: NormsRevenge

I've worked with people who have moved from California out here to suburban Kansas City. They all think they've died and moved to real estate heaven. Four bedroom, three car garage, three and a half bath houses on quiet streets go for well under $275,000. Property taxes run about $2000. They can't believe it.


197 posted on 12/10/2006 7:01:40 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Yep. You can buy a 2000 ft square home for a third of what it can be had in California. That's affordable for middle class families.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

198 posted on 12/10/2006 7:04:51 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ByDesign

I have never had a bad experience at any of the beaches like you described, and always had fun in SF, but then I didn't live there. I didn't find most Californians to be rude, unless it was on the freeways. I agree about the liberals; I was way outnumbered as a conservative Republican, and took a lot of heck for my views. CA is the ultimate nanny state, IMO, and that, and the goofy libs, are the main reasons I left. I'm much happier here in the SE corner of WA state.

I can't say a thing about NYers, as I've never either visited or lived there.


199 posted on 12/10/2006 7:04:55 PM PST by Theresawithanh (Every time I hear the word "exercise", I wash my mouth out with chocolate.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

yes, but what kind of jobs can they get? home prices in the NYC metro area are high - but so are salaries.


200 posted on 12/10/2006 7:06:18 PM PST by oceanview
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