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Iran taunts the West with Holocaust debate
The Sunday Times ^ | December 10, 2006 | Marie Colvin

Posted on 12/10/2006 3:20:05 AM PST by MadIvan

DEFYING international condemnation, Iran will open a conference tomorrow questioning whether the Holocaust — in which millions of Jews and other minorities were killed by the Nazis — really happened.

An official at the Iranian foreign ministry claimed that delegates from 30 countries, including Britain, would attend the conference, initiated by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The president, who claims the Holocaust is a myth used to justify the occupation of Palestinian land, has called for Israel to be wiped off the map and suggested that its citizens could be resettled in Alaska.

Among the first arrivals in Tehran for the two-day forum, called Studying the Holocaust: An International View, was Frederick Töben, who describes himself as an “expert”. Töben, an Australian Holocaust denier, brought his own model of the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland. He claimed that it proved there would have been no room for the Jews — at least 1.1m — whose deaths there were documented in Nazi records.

Asked why western countries were so outraged, he replied: “The Holocaust equals a lie. Therefore Israel is built on a lie.”

The agenda is chilling. The Iranians have presented the forum in the banal manner of international conferences where experts examine evidence in open debate.

The seminars could have been designed to cause maximum pain to Holocaust survivors and their descendants. Gas Chambers: Denial or Confirmation, is the title of one. Others are entitled Freedom of Speech and the Stance of Holocaust Deniers in the West, and The Current Laws Against Holocaust Deniers.

With no trace of irony, Iranian officials said the conference — sponsored by the Institute for Political and International Studies, a foreign ministry think tank — would include archives, photographs and demographic evidence to establish whether the number of victims was exaggerated.

“Our aim is scientifically to study the Holocaust and listen to both sides before reaching a conclusion,” said Manouchehr Mohammadi, the foreign ministry spokesman for research. “We weren’t involved in this event so we can be a neutral judge. If we conclude that the Holocaust happened, we will admit it, but we are still going to ask why the Palestinians have to pay the price.”

Iranian sources said the conference emerged from a behind-the-scenes struggle. Foreign ministry officials are well aware that it will have a negative impact on the country’s image at a time when Iran is already under pressure at the United Nations over its nuclear programme, support for Hezbollah in Lebanon and Shi’ite groups in Iraq.

Hence, although Ahmadinejad has been publicly flagging the conference for almost a year, foreign ministry officials who were supposed to organise it have been dragging their feet. Forced to go ahead by the president, the foreign ministry tried to portray the conference as an exercise in free speech. It was at pains to point out that Iran has a community of 25,000 Jews. who are protected by the government.

One foreign ministry official said: “Does this conference make sense politically for Iran? No. The conference is being held to answer the questions of the president.” Tony Blair, who was invited, called it “shocking, ridiculous and stupid”.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; holocaust; iran; jews; secondholocaust
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To: reg45; All

One doesn't have to lie or make stuff up about Muhammad.

Read this debate between former Muslim Ali Sina and Iranian Ayatollah Montazeri.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/montazeri.htm


81 posted on 12/10/2006 3:39:59 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1
I know a story which is illuminating. Apparently Islam started out as a religion where one could only have one wife. Apparently Mohammed found that didn't sell very well, so he changed the number of wives from one to four.

If one has the supposedly revealed truth straight from God's mouth, one doesn't chop and change. This is marketing. To my knowledge, God doesn't do that.

Regards, Ivan

82 posted on 12/10/2006 3:41:59 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

Read the url I left at post #81.


83 posted on 12/10/2006 3:47:17 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sgtbono2002

"if brains were dynamite they couldnt blow their noses"

God, I love that line!!! May I use it from time to time? That's the best one I've heard all day.


84 posted on 12/10/2006 3:55:20 PM PST by austinaero
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To: austinaero

Be my guest.


85 posted on 12/10/2006 5:17:15 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: MadIvan
“The Holocaust equals a lie. Therefore Israel is built on a lie.”

And these are the people Baker wants us to negotiate with...

86 posted on 12/10/2006 6:56:10 PM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood
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To: sageb1

One great debate at your link. Al Sini has a great project going on.

His Islamic debate partners have a lot of class, manners wise. More than Al Sini.

But Al Sini has a lively mind, great energy, and the "winning" side of this debate.


87 posted on 12/10/2006 8:23:06 PM PST by secretagent (Aaah, the pleasures of punditry!)
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To: secretagent

I'm glad you took the time to visit his site. I hadn't been there myself in a long time. He is prepared to always be right, isn't he? :) But he is doing well. His new site looks great. I joined, but haven't had an opportunity to post there yet. And yes, he does have the winning side - or maybe I should say he has the right side and that I pray he wins.


88 posted on 12/10/2006 8:33:39 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: MadIvan
Why is it we don't assassinate foreign thugs?

Oh, riiight............those invertebrates in Congress wanted to be loved and respected by thugs the world over.

It's worked quite well, hasn't it.

89 posted on 12/10/2006 8:36:10 PM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: M. Espinola; MadIvan; Mad_Tom_Rackham; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; Smartass

OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE


90 posted on 12/10/2006 8:46:55 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo; devolve; ntnychik; dixiechick2000; bitt
INCOMING


91 posted on 12/10/2006 8:51:32 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: sgtbono2002
If brains were gas they couldn't power an ant go-cart around the inside of a Cheerio.

But, really....what do you expect from a nation that was once a decent culture, until those damned Arabs/Muslims came along and bastardized it. I mean, they're still in a tailspin, trying to figure out what the hell went wrong. Cyrus, Darius and Xerxes would look upon modern "Persians" and wet themselves laughing at their "boldness".

92 posted on 12/10/2006 8:53:33 PM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: PhilDragoo; potlatch


Multi-Bumperoo


93 posted on 12/10/2006 8:55:48 PM PST by devolve ( ....terminate_liberal_media_&_neocoms)
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To: potlatch

Yes, fire TWO missiles at this man.

94 posted on 12/10/2006 9:00:00 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: devolve

LOL, you are just laying back and taking it easy tonight!!

I won't post a discriptive gif..


95 posted on 12/10/2006 9:00:17 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: MadIvan

You took the words out of my mouth. When is the world going to see how dangerous this man is? He is the Adolf Hitler of the 21st century.


96 posted on 12/10/2006 9:01:39 PM PST by lndrvr1972
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To: PhilDragoo; devolve

LOL, I need to reverse my missiles so they point UP!!


97 posted on 12/10/2006 9:01:45 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: devolve; potlatch

Here is a two-fer: fire TWO missiles
at these two wild and crazy guys for the
best shot at peace in the Middle East.
Deal or No Deal.

98 posted on 12/10/2006 9:04:22 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo; devolve

They are working their way down the page now!


99 posted on 12/10/2006 9:07:27 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: potlatch
Martyrdom for Mahmoud Beavis and Assad Butthead--priceless.
100 posted on 12/10/2006 9:10:45 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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