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Baby born on jet just before O'Hare landing (anchor baby or not?)
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| December 8, 2006
| ESTHER J. CEPEDA Staff Reporter
Posted on 12/08/2006 7:28:47 PM PST by dennisw
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To: doc1019
The Constitution seems pretty clear: All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. Child was born while within territorial bounds of the US. The plane was the national carrier of Mexico and subject to Mexican regulations. Neither the baby nor the parents were "resident" in any U.S. state (a requirement of the 14th Amendment) at the time of birth.
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:27:02 PM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: Kozak
I don't know, I wouldn't mind 20 million Brits as long as they weren't socialists.
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:27:25 PM PST
by
cajungirl
(no)
To: org.whodat
Sight the case law please. While not case law, the State Dept's opinion is contained in "7 FAM 1116.1-3 Airspace". Note that it does not cite previous case law, but simply states that it is "obvious" without any supporting documentation.
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:31:06 PM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: Ciexyz
Yes they did that to my hubby a long time ago. He was going to jamaica and they asked if a doc was on board. Some woman was having a panic attack! He had to sit next to her the rest of the flight!
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:31:56 PM PST
by
pitinkie
(revenge will be sweet)
To: FreedomCalls
However the plane was over US territory when she was born
first breathed
therefore, the first breath was in the US.
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:33:18 PM PST
by
doc1019
To: cajungirl
Yeah if they came univited, jammed up the ER's, worked under the table, created a social services crisis in many areas, jammed the prisons, most of us would feel the same way about them as we would any other illegals.
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:35:51 PM PST
by
Kozak
(Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
To: doc1019
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. Wrong as already pointed out on prior thread. I thought you had some updated argument. Instead I find it was just hot air.
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:37:32 PM PST
by
org.whodat
(Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
To: Kozak
I guess so. But at least they wouldn't be bombing us, threatening us and cluttering up our gyms and public places praying incessantly.
Besides I can't see the Brits doing that.
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:39:08 PM PST
by
cajungirl
(no)
To: cajungirl
For those that don't believe the SUBJECT TO THE JURUSDICTION OF part eliminates visiting foreigners...I have heard many times that the author of that particular piece of law spelled out just that..in other writings ...
it guarantees citizens children will automatically be citizens..
To: cajungirl
"a baby was born, healthy and safe.
You would think this "pro life" board would rejoice.
But snideness is the order of the day whenever it is a Mexican baby."
That's an amazingly cheap shot at a belief that has nothing to do with this subject. Someone grinding an axe here? I can demagogue too.
The baby had a much better chance being born on the ground in Mexico. This mother deliberately risked the life of her baby and herself.
This time it worked out O.K. What about next time?
She should be prosecuted and the baby placed in foster care. How about that for caring about the living regardless of their national origin?
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:40:18 PM PST
by
outdriving
(Diversity is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.)
To: dennisw
If the aircraft has Mexican registry, it is sovereign territory of Mexico. She was on Mexican soil at the time of the birth. No anchor baby here. It's obvious that is the stunt she was trying to attempt.
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:40:58 PM PST
by
Myrddin
To: pitinkie
Kudos to your hubby for being available to aid unwell passengers at a time of emergency.
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:41:13 PM PST
by
Ciexyz
(Satisfied owner of a 2007 Toyota Corolla.)
To: org.whodat
Please ... cite case law.
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:42:24 PM PST
by
doc1019
To: outdriving
Prosecuted and the baby placed in foster care???
You criticize me for cheap shots. But man, you would obliterate this woman and her child because you think she was "reckless".
This woman, Mexican or whatever, is not the first and won't be the last to have a baby on an airplane.
But nobody pauses to think, "how wonderful", the baby is fine. They move right along to their usual accusations and suspicions. Because she was a Mexican, because she had a baby on our soil {arguably}. An automatic assumption that trumps any other thought. Without reflection.
And in your case, without any mercy. Put the baby in foster care/prosecute her. YOu are a piece of work.
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:45:28 PM PST
by
cajungirl
(no)
To: FreedomCalls
Yup. And thats why international airports are "Ports of Entry". That's why there are "international" zones at airports, seaports, etc where you pay no tax.
A person is not "in the United States" until they have cleared the Port of Entry.
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:45:33 PM PST
by
djf
(They have their place. We have our place. WAKE UP!! They want to turn our place into their place!!!)
To: doc1019
Child was born while within territorial bounds of the US.The Mexican airliner is Mexican soil. She was in Mexico when the baby was born. She was not on U.S. soil or even legally admitted to visit the country at the time of the birth.
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:45:34 PM PST
by
Myrddin
To: Ciexyz
In the old days when travel agents booked flights, most would register the name under "Dr.", and it could be picked out of a flight manifest, or whatever they call the passenger list. The flight attendant could them go to them and ask whether they could help. I suppose it could work the same buying tix on this thing they call the "Internet"....
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:45:41 PM PST
by
GnuHere
To: GnuHere
Aside from the fact that your local dog catcher could buy a ticket entitled "Dr. Joe Schmoe".
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:48:46 PM PST
by
GnuHere
To: cajungirl
Besides I can't see the Brits doing that.
Remember Mexico has dumped the bottom 10% of it's population on us. If Britain tossed us the poorest 10% of their population, it wouldn't look much different.
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posted on
12/08/2006 8:49:12 PM PST
by
Kozak
(Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
To: doc1019
Were the airplane's windows rolled down? I would imagine that all the air inside the cabin was Mexican air.
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