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1200-year-old problem 'easy' [dividing by zero]
BBC ^ | 12/8/06

Posted on 12/08/2006 12:20:06 PM PST by LibWhacker

Schoolchildren from Caversham have become the first to learn a brand new theory that dividing by zero is possible using a new number - 'nullity'. But the suggestion has left many mathematicians cold.

Dr James Anderson, from the University of Reading's computer science department, says his new theorem solves an extremely important problem - the problem of nothing.

"Imagine you're landing on an aeroplane and the automatic pilot's working," he suggests. "If it divides by zero and the computer stops working - you're in big trouble. If your heart pacemaker divides by zero, you're dead."

Computers simply cannot divide by zero. Try it on your calculator and you'll get an error message.

But Dr Anderson has come up with a theory that proposes a new number - 'nullity' - which sits outside the conventional number line (stretching from negative infinity, through zero, to positive infinity).

'Quite cool'

The theory of nullity is set to make all kinds of sums possible that, previously, scientists and computers couldn't work around.

"We've just solved a problem that hasn't been solved for twelve hundred years - and it's that easy," proclaims Dr Anderson having demonstrated his solution on a whiteboard at Highdown School, in Emmer Green.

"It was confusing at first, but I think I've got it. Just about," said one pupil.

"We're the first schoolkids to be able to do it - that's quite cool," added another.

Despite being a problem tackled by the famous mathematicians Newton and Pythagoras without success, it seems the Year 10 children at Highdown now know their nullity.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: anderson; dividing; easy; education; iaresmart; piledhigheranddeeper; publickskool; pythagoras; zero
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To: r9etb
Very tasteful.

You can also think of the Dirac delta function as the derivative of the Heaviside step function.

Extra credit: can someone from the class explain the Kronecker delta? ;-)

Cheers!

301 posted on 12/08/2006 9:51:56 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
SHORT RESPONSE: If you're dividing by zero, the problem's probably buggered anyway.

Sometimes you can finagle your way around it by overdetermining the problem, e.g. quaternions instead of spherical polar coordinates.

Cheers!

302 posted on 12/08/2006 9:56:07 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: JamesP81
because if you don't, that pacemaker the article talks about gets a BSOD and someone's heart stops.

Aptly named, in this macabre instance.

303 posted on 12/08/2006 9:58:36 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: AmishDude
2+2=6 as 2 approaches 3.

Thunderous applause!

304 posted on 12/08/2006 10:00:22 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

As a machine-learning guy, AI-guy, and all-around messer-about with matrices, I know in my heart that introducing extra dimensions will result in my going straight to Hell. ;^)


305 posted on 12/08/2006 10:05:26 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Nancy [Pelosi] was voted the Number one reason why men in San Francisco are homosexuals."-Wikiality)
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To: P.O.E.

"The quantity formerly known as nullity."

Cheers!

306 posted on 12/08/2006 10:07:00 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: lepton

You're now in esteemed company.


307 posted on 12/08/2006 10:10:26 PM PST by Professional Engineer (As far as we know, all numbers are imaginary. some just hurt your brain more than others. ~ lepton)
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To: grey_whiskers
dij = dij = dij = | 1 if i = j
. . . . . . . . . . . . | 0 if i != j

In general it's used to annihilate off diagonal elements in a double sum.

ie

dijxixj = xixi

drjairxi = aijxi

308 posted on 12/08/2006 10:45:12 PM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
I always used them in quantum mechanics (as you say, for off-diagonal elements, but I thought of them in a slightly different way, bra-ket notation); selection rules, and the like...

The emoticon indicated I was just joshing.

Cheers!

309 posted on 12/08/2006 10:53:36 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: spunkets

You might want to check your algebra. (Your point is still valid. )

a^x = exp(x*log_e(a))...

try it...

>> x = randn;a=randn; a^x - exp(x*log(a))

ans =

0

(Matlab is perfectly happy with complex arithmetic. 'log' means 'log_e', 'log10' is log_10. Excel doesn't do complex arithmetic, but 'LOG' means 'LOG10', unless you enter a second argument, specifying the radix. 'LN' is 'log_e' to Excel. Excel also thinks that 1900 was leap year and 2100 wouldn't be, making them inconsistent with any known calendar, except the Excel calendar.)

The meaning of "Limit x -->0 [f(x)] = 1 " is that you can name any number you want, except zero, call it 'eta', no matter how small you make eta, I name a value of x, 'epsilon', such that a^epsilon < 1+eta and that as eta gets smaller, epislon also gets smaller.


310 posted on 12/09/2006 7:06:22 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: LibWhacker

Less than nothing, I've heard of that.


311 posted on 12/09/2006 7:09:12 AM PST by Ditter
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To: spunkets
matlab is perfectly happy making 0^0 = 1, Excel spits out a number error.

matlab seems to lean to believing the user is somewhat mathematically sophisticated, Excel towards believing the user is mathematically naive. Excel tries hard to keep you out of trouble.
312 posted on 12/09/2006 7:12:03 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: Sloth

actually, he does not. merely a person who thinks outside the box, unlike yourself.


313 posted on 12/09/2006 7:12:04 AM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: quikdrw

"Only Chuck Norris can divide by zero. Plus, Chuck Norris has counted to infinity.....twice."


Dick Cheney can divide i by 0. He respects Chuck Norris, but finds his mathematical abilities wanting.


314 posted on 12/09/2006 7:19:28 AM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I thought I had solved the age-old problem of how to trisect an angle with a compass and ruler in HS. I first drew an arc. I then halved one leg of the angle and added the resulting half to the whole. Then I drew a new arc at that point. I measured the inner arc and juxtaposed that over the outer arc, marking off intersections 2/3's of the way from each end of the outer arc.

It took my teacher nearly 15 minutes to realize that I had trisected the "straight line" from one end of the arc to the other, rather than the arc itself.

I suspect this "nullity" issue is similar, especially since the students seem to "almost" get it.

315 posted on 12/09/2006 7:21:24 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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To: ez
It took my teacher nearly 15 minutes to realize that I had trisected the "straight line" from one end of the arc to the other, rather than the arc itself.

If you have some spare time, could you square the circle and invent a perpetual motion machine?

316 posted on 12/09/2006 7:32:14 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: Poser
ei * pi +1 = 0

Sometimes called "Euler's equation" it contains the five most important numbers in analyis in a single equation, with no others introduced. Truly a thing of beauty. I "discovered" it independently, about a page before my calculus text blew the game.

317 posted on 12/09/2006 7:37:34 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: LibWhacker
"If your heart pacemaker divides by zero, you're dead." ... But Dr Anderson has come up with a theory that proposes a new number - 'nullity' - which sits outside the conventional number line...

Maybe Anderson is onto something. If your pacemaker stops you will end up outside the conventional number line, in nullity.

318 posted on 12/09/2006 7:46:46 AM PST by far sider (That's an attempt at humor.)
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To: far sider

"If your heart pacemaker divides by zero, you're dead."

Only if the moron who wrote the program didn't put in an error catching sub-routine.

Dick Cheney never forgets an onerror module in his programs.


319 posted on 12/09/2006 7:51:03 AM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: billbears

>>>Don't see it as anymore ridiculous than i. Square root of negative -1. What sort of math is that? <<<

Imaginary numbers (also called "Complex Numbers") are not really "imaginary". Areas of usage include quantum mechanics, electrical engineering, optics, chemistry, and fluid mechanics. They are also used in some economics calculations.


320 posted on 12/09/2006 7:54:17 AM PST by PhilipFreneau (God deliver our nation from the disease of liberalism!)
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