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Zytek Introduces Plug-In Hybrid Demonstrator smart for four
www.greencarcongress.com ^ | 12/05/2006 | Steve Tremble

Posted on 12/07/2006 10:05:26 AM PST by Red Badger

Zytek, in conjunction with Lithium Technology Corporation (LTC), has launched a demonstration diesel-electric plug-in hybrid version of a smart for four in London.

The lithium-ion battery pack from LTC subsidiary GAIA Akkumulatorenwerke can be charged by either the internal combustion engine (ICE) and by regenerative braking or by household mains (plug-in hybrid). The vehicle has a fuel economy of more than 84 mpg Imp. (3.36 l/100km or about 70 mpg US) and an all-electric range of 20 miles.

The battery pack has an output of 288 V, a capacity of 7.5 Ah (or about 2.2 kWh of energy) and a capability to deliver 25 kW of power.

Zytek was awarded £1.8 million (US$3.6 million) by the Energy Saving Trust to develop the new HEV. (Earlier post.) The vehicle utilizes a hybrid power train based on a 1.5-liter, 3-cylinder turbocharged diesel engine coupled with two high-efficiency permanent-magnet electric motors. This car is part of the “Ultra Low Carbon Car Challenge” project that is supported by the Energy Saving Trust.

The vehicle has combined technology developed by LTC, Zytek and I+ME for an advanced Battery Management System (BMS). The system is equipped with additional safety features to control the charging of the battery from the mains. The BMS has been designed to communicate with the vehicles’ energy management system to ensure enhanced efficiency and control.

The combination of LTC’s advanced battery system and Zytek’s innovative hybrid drive train, demonstrates a positive step forward in plug in hybrid technology that is simply applied to any OEM platform, as the system is scaleable and transportable. —Steve Tremble, Zytek sales and marketing director


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: diesel; electriccar; energy; engine; hybrid
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Diesel-electric hybrid, okay!.......
1 posted on 12/07/2006 10:05:29 AM PST by Red Badger
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2 posted on 12/07/2006 10:05:56 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: Red Badger

"The vehicle has a fuel economy of more than 84 mpg Imp. (3.36 l/100km or about 70 mpg US) and an all-electric range of 20 miles."

The mileage is badly understated, if "all-electric range" is treated separately. That's the whole point of moving to a plug-in hybrid, starting off with a full charge to boost the fuel efficiency. They should use a calculation based upon total miles driven on a tank of fuel, just like any other vehicle, to derive a mileage figure.


3 posted on 12/07/2006 10:11:16 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Red Badger

An ice scraper might be a necessary assessory to clean off a big enough spot on the windshield so the driver can see if he is still on the road.


4 posted on 12/07/2006 10:14:45 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: Red Badger
about 3 horsepower!
5 posted on 12/07/2006 10:14:50 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: Red Badger
That battery must be very light and cheap because it seem to be tiny.

7.5AH? that is nothing.

An electric scooter for 7 year old kids have a 12 AH battery in them.

6 posted on 12/07/2006 10:24:33 AM PST by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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To: UNGN
That a 288V battery pack is way beyond the 12V battery in your kid's scooter......288V*7.5A=2160W/Hr

12V*12A=144W/Hr

7 posted on 12/07/2006 10:30:11 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: UNGN

7.5 AH at 288V. I doubt the scooter stores 2.2 kWh.

I would guess you 12 AH battery is 6, maybe 12 Volts: 0.07 or 0.14 kWh


8 posted on 12/07/2006 10:30:24 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

The article doesn't say but the discussion below says about 33 HP.

With electric drive and a very light vehicle, 33 HP would be plenty. Internal combustion engines are limitted by their torque output at low RMP, electric give you about the same torque at all speeds.

For average driving this would give you about the same experience as a 150 HP internal combustion engine, where you would miss the HP is on the highway, depending on the air resistence, 33 hp would probably limit you to about 80 MPH.


9 posted on 12/07/2006 10:31:09 AM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

0-60 in 3 days.


10 posted on 12/07/2006 10:47:31 AM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: dangerdoc
Article says 2.2 KW = 2,200 watts
746 watts = 1 horse power = .75 KW
2,200 watts divided by about 750 is very close to 3 HP.
11 posted on 12/07/2006 10:50:26 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: Rakkasan1

For city driving, it would be pretty useful.


12 posted on 12/07/2006 10:56:40 AM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
The article says 2.2kWh, kilowatthours, not kilowatts.

It is the energy storage capacity of the battery, not the power delivered at a given instant.
13 posted on 12/07/2006 11:17:58 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

The article says the battery holds 2.2 KWH (kilowatt hours)

I don't believe it a addresses motor size.

If you discharge the battery in one minute, you have about 200 HP


14 posted on 12/07/2006 11:20:48 AM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: dangerdoc
Where did you get 200 HP.

Horsepower is a static value not a timed event!

They state the total power is 25 Kw which will be about 33 HP if you could use the entire amount at one time.

288 volts at 7.5 amp hours is 3 HP over 1 hours time.
15 posted on 12/07/2006 11:38:01 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: Red Badger
an all-electric range of 20 miles

Sounds like a major breakthough - batteries that will go up to 20 miles.

16 posted on 12/07/2006 11:42:35 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Red Badger

Let's just make the thing steam powered, and be done liquid fuels altogether. The 20 mile electric range ought to be enough to get a boiler running.

Can I have a $3.6 million research grant now? Where's the application.


17 posted on 12/07/2006 11:45:09 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Liberalism: replacing backbones with wishbones.)
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To: PAR35

Hehehe, I climbed a hill once in my old car with just the starter, who knows how far I would have got on flat land.....


18 posted on 12/07/2006 11:47:56 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

3 HP over 1 hour is roughly the same energy as 200 HP over 1 minute.

100 watts x 10 minutes equals 1000 watts for 1 minute.

The value they give is an energy value (kWH) not a power value kW.

2.2 kWH will give you about 3 HP for an hour, 200 HP for about a minute or about 12,000 HP for about a second.

Energy (kWH) = power (kW or HP) x time.


19 posted on 12/07/2006 11:50:01 AM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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Diesel-electric hybrid, okay!.......

Assuming this car works and will get us good mileage to the gallon...Can someone explain to me what the IMPRACTICAL side of this technology would be ?

In other words, what is stopping this hybrid car from challenging the dominance of oil based vehicles ? Price ? Technology ? Cost ?

Or is it because the GM's and FORD's of the world are in collusion to prevent cars like these from being commercialized ?
20 posted on 12/07/2006 11:52:54 AM PST by SirLinksalot
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