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Indian navy on shopping spree for stealth frigates
Daily News Analysis(DNA),India ^ | December 05, 2006 | Josy Joseph

Posted on 12/07/2006 4:13:58 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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'Sino-Indian rivalry over Indian Ocean out in open'

2006-12-04

It's Navy Day today and India's Navy Chief has warned that Sino-Indian rivalry is spilling over to the seas. He says India must take steps to counter the Chinese threat from the sea, reports CNBC-TV18.

On December 4, 1971, the Indian Navy earned its spurs as a war fighting force by launching a blistering attack on Karachi. The day has since been observed as Navy Day. Ahead of Navy Day, India's Naval leadership has outlined the new threats from the sea to India's security.

"China is, therefore, we believe, developing a certain amount of, in our terms, we call it shaping the maritime battlefield," says Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral Sureesh Mehta.

The Asian rivalry to dominate the Indian Ocean Region is now out into the open. And India has made its unease over increasing Chinese presence clear.

"Policies are always made 20 years ahead. So they're looking far ahead. We also need to look far ahead and make sure we have the capability," he adds.

The Navy also insists that Chinese companies be kept out of port modernization projects. According to Admiral Sureesh Mehta, "The date, which is of a sensitive nature like hydrology, if that gets known to a nation, which may be inimical to you in the years ahead, then it's a cause for concern."

The Admiral's concern is that most Indian warships can operate only in shallow waters whereas naval superiority will be determined on the high seas. So, plug the gaps now or face the prospect of hostile forces, determinging the agenda in the waters around India - that is the Indian Navy's warning.

1 posted on 12/07/2006 4:13:59 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Let's see. India wants state of the art military hardware. They are a NON-MUSLIM state. They are threatened by China and they are a peaceful nation. Geez, I can't think of a better ally for the USA than India. They are slated to overtake China in population in a few years, and half the country already speaks English. Give'um everything they need. We need to cozy up our US-India relations. They could wind up being one of the best allies the USA has ever had.


2 posted on 12/07/2006 4:34:17 AM PST by BuffaloJack
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To: sukhoi-30mki
A total of 30 warships in slated to join the Navy in a decade.

That's probably more than will join the U.S. navy during the same period.

3 posted on 12/07/2006 4:36:49 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: BuffaloJack
They are a NON-MUSLIM state.

Actually I believe that they have the second or third largest Muslim population in the world.

4 posted on 12/07/2006 4:37:52 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

& probably a 3rd the number of vessels joining the PLA-Navy in the same period!!


5 posted on 12/07/2006 4:38:24 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

RS. 30,000 Crore is 300 Billion Rupees or about $6.7 Billion at today's exchange rate.


6 posted on 12/07/2006 5:08:43 AM PST by bondjamesbond (Many Americans are invested in a US failure in Iraq, and will work diligently to bring it about.)
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To: BuffaloJack
They could wind up being one of the best allies the USA has ever had.

I agree with you. Our interests coincide, and will continue to do so for some time.

India is a ally we can work with, but it must be on a basis of equal respect. India will act in India's best interests always, and will not be cowed by US threats. It just so happens that their interests are our interests.

7 posted on 12/07/2006 5:11:55 AM PST by bondjamesbond (Many Americans are invested in a US failure in Iraq, and will work diligently to bring it about.)
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To: bondjamesbond
India is a ally we can work with, but it must be on a basis of equal respect. India will act in India's best interests always, and will not be cowed by US threats. It just so happens that their interests are our interests.
Excellent. And as any game theorist will tell you, this is the situation that guarantees a co-operative equilibrium, not lofty ideals, flowery words and grand intentions - but an alignment of core interests, plain and simple.
8 posted on 12/07/2006 5:17:28 AM PST by voletti (Awareness and Equanimity.)
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To: bondjamesbond

Seems a reasonable price,though it is bound to fluctuate(to the higher end) by the time it is 2010+.Really depends on what the IN wants.Is it just going to standard 4,000 tonne frigates or the European concept of 'Frigates' which are really destroyers in all things.It will most probably feature the new Israeli Indian Barak-2 medium/long-range SAM & MF-STAR radar system & the European anti-sub equipment.


9 posted on 12/07/2006 5:22:23 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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Hi Sukhoi,

I see a lot of rejoicing on Indian jingo fora about the recent ABM tests carried out. The celebrations are well deserved, IMO. The AMB test is an amazing feat and easily a strategic imbalancer. Pak and China smell their asses burning now that they no longer can brazenly threaten India's cities.

Good show!


10 posted on 12/07/2006 5:41:43 AM PST by voletti (Awareness and Equanimity.)
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Well deserved,but I don't want to go over board.The system still needs to be validated with more tests,new sensors & tracking solutions developed.Then there will be the question of how it is to be deployed.Then if everything to goes plan,we need to look at how we can alter the doctrine of 'limited war' with the Pakis esp with this system in place.So,A long way to go,but certainly a good start & the (hidden) politico-bureaucratic consensus is good.


11 posted on 12/07/2006 5:47:13 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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That wouldn't help our relations much with Pakistan...


12 posted on 12/07/2006 6:05:17 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: TMK37
Interesting perspective. I disagree, of course but nevertheless....

Ask yourself this - If any country could become a 'natural' US ally in the coming decades, which one would it be? An aging Japan? A semi-izlamic Eurabia? A super-power aspirant China? Apart from the Anglo spheric allies - UK, Australia and Canada who else is around?

Israel (too small), South Africa (too untested), Russia (Huh?), Brazil?

I would vote for India. I believe that soon (within 10 yrs) Europe will erupt in civil war (Balkans times 10), Russia and China will help setup izlamo-monsters in regimes such as Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi and their proxies Hezbollah, Hamas, the Mahdi army, the lashkar-e-Toiba, the jamaat-e-islami etc to play them off against the free world. India guarding the Indian ocean's shipping lanes and keeping Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia (together home to 50% of the world's muzlim population) in their own interest will be invaluable as an ally.

Have a nice day.
P.S.
Read mark Steyn's 'America Alone' for a glimpse into the future and lemme know what you think.
15 posted on 12/07/2006 1:19:33 PM PST by voletti (Awareness and Equanimity.)
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Hmm another newbie joining to just post 1 comment!!!India has developed it's nukes just because of China.Enuff said.


About Indo-US relations,they were pretty tight after India's independence with the US backing Delhi in the war with China in 1962(while Moscow stayed neutral).Things began to fall apart with the deaths of Kennedy & Nehru.


16 posted on 12/07/2006 6:09:03 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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"Hmm another newbie joining to just post 1 comment!!!"

Or maybe someone who got banned before and who has assumed a new identity?


18 posted on 12/08/2006 2:05:22 AM PST by Arjun (Skepticism is good. It keeps you alive.)
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To: BuffaloJack

We have plenty of mothballed ships that we could refurbish and sell India in the interium. Meanwhile, we can work closely between India and Britain to modernize India's armed forces and get them up to NATO standards.


19 posted on 12/08/2006 2:07:11 AM PST by Thunder90
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To: TMK37
Looks like you gotta brush up your history a bit, pal.

British India had the largest number of men under arms (upwards of 2 million) in India's history until then. These men fought bravely in different theaters from Europe to Indo-China and have more than redeemed themselves.

As for India being a big bully, surprise, surprise....seems like every big country has perception problems w.r.t. relatively smaller neighbors - be it India, Indonesia, China, the US or Aus..

I know I won't be able to convince you since your 'facts' seem coming from sources that have an anti-India agenda. Go ahead and indulge yourself, I guess.

/Have a nice day.
20 posted on 12/08/2006 4:29:25 AM PST by voletti (Awareness and Equanimity.)
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