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1 posted on 12/05/2006 10:10:36 AM PST by jveritas
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This guy was on the Baker-Hamilton Commission. When the report comes out, and calls for a cut-and-run, how will he be able to oppose it, given that he helped write it??? Bush has painted us into a corner.


2 posted on 12/05/2006 10:11:50 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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How is that defeatist?

Do you think Churchill claimed Britain was "winning" the war when Germany was bombing London? Of course not. But he sure as heck didn't give up either.


4 posted on 12/05/2006 10:13:58 AM PST by Omega Man II
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Yes, I prefer to have a SecDef who is delusional, closed-minded, tells the American public that things are going well in Iraq...

Oh, wait that guy just got canned.


5 posted on 12/05/2006 10:14:09 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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Cut and Run is now being supported by the new Defense Secretary, and when Levin endorses him, you KNOW we've lost for sure, as he will give the Democrats all the ammo they need to tout their cut and run agenda.


7 posted on 12/05/2006 10:14:27 AM PST by traditional1
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Cut and Run is now being supported by the new Defense Secretary, and when Levin endorses him, you KNOW we've lost for sure, as he will give the Democrats all the ammo they need to tout their cut and run agenda.


8 posted on 12/05/2006 10:14:31 AM PST by traditional1
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Gates is saying what he needs to in order to get confirmed.

Less knee jerking, please.


11 posted on 12/05/2006 10:15:43 AM PST by Terpfen ("Conservatives" who sat at home cost us the War on Terror, SCOTUS, and economic success.)
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Bush is the president not Gates, and we need to face reality in Iraq. The mission of the US military is not to police Iraq into the far future.

We need to keep Iraq out of the terrorist sphere and we need to move forward to deal with (I mean confront) Syria and Iran. If they will still do that I'm ok with it.

13 posted on 12/05/2006 10:16:13 AM PST by Williams
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What is it with the Class of 98?


15 posted on 12/05/2006 10:17:13 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (I'm your huckleberry)
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Moreover the man has shown extreme ambiguity and uncertainty in his answers to many questions.

Sounds like he's telling the Senators what they need to hear in order to vote for his confirmation. Cynical, but the only method that works.

Extreem honesty doesn't work. Ask Robert Bork.

16 posted on 12/05/2006 10:17:27 AM PST by narby
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President Bush is a Lincoln surrounded by McClellans. Where have you gone, William Tecumseh Sherman?


17 posted on 12/05/2006 10:17:43 AM PST by RedRover (They are not killers. Defend our Marines.)
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Defeat is in the air. Dontcha know many think they won by losing in November. Soon we can get Iraq behind us and go to war with Mexico. All we need is a leader... (sound of crickets chirping).


19 posted on 12/05/2006 10:18:07 AM PST by rhombus
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By maintaining the current course, defeat is assured. Patton and McArthur and Pershing and Sherman and Washington would be horrified at the military position we find ourselves in.


20 posted on 12/05/2006 10:18:35 AM PST by PC99
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When did it happen? When did it become the case that simply saying something with enough decisiveness magically makes it so?

Saying we are winning in Iraq does not make it happen. Saying we are not does not prevent it from happening.

22 posted on 12/05/2006 10:19:21 AM PST by lugsoul (Livin' in fear is just another way of dying before your time. - Mike Cooley)
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We are not winning in Iraq. He is coming on board to make sure we do. I don't read that as defeatism. Patton would have said the same thing... well, maybe a little more colorfully.


24 posted on 12/05/2006 10:19:48 AM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Welcome Home, son! You and your comrades are our heroes!))
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You prefer maybe this?


"ALL IS WELL!"

25 posted on 12/05/2006 10:20:27 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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This is just the beginning from Gates --he's completely uninspiring, and typifies W's judgement in appointees.

> Just wait.

29 posted on 12/05/2006 10:21:11 AM PST by gaijin
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Or perhaps he is telling them what they want to hear? The guy is CIA.
33 posted on 12/05/2006 10:22:13 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (The way that you wander is the way that you choose. The day that you tarry is the day that you lose.)
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Didn't say all the things to make you feel warm and fuzzy? He's not a defeatist, he's a realist. It's about time the children are put to bed and the adults get back in charge. Good to see Gates as the nomination. The only thing that would be better would be to bring some of Reagan's staff back in. The ones that realized the idiocy of this campaign in the first place

There's no way to back out of Iraq now so best thing is to reduce the losses, get as much of a win out of it as possible (which won't be much), and turn it over to the Iraqis as quickly as possible. Get the troops home to defend and put an end once and for all to this spreading democracy nonsense. The Iraqis seemed quite happy with democracy and purple fingers a few months ago, if they want it it's up to them to keep it.

35 posted on 12/05/2006 10:22:53 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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Well, we are NOT winning in Iraq, as soldiers who have been there several times can tell you. On the other hand, we are not losing. The problem is the inability of the government of Iraq to take hold.


37 posted on 12/05/2006 10:23:25 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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It is a poor choice of words but maybe he wants to get the nomination process done with and not blocked in the senate commitees.


41 posted on 12/05/2006 10:24:31 AM PST by GregH
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