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Defense Secretary Nominee Gates is a Defeatist
December 5th 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 12/05/2006 10:10:32 AM PST by jveritas

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To: jveritas

FedGov could get along without the Cabinet. They serve as decoys for the Pres and most if not all are indeed the Pres in all but the brass sign on the door and would sit in the Oval Office themselves if everybody ahead of them were to treat the job with the respect it gets from everybody else and take the next train home.


81 posted on 12/05/2006 10:45:25 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: PghBaldy
I would think the question of whether or not Iran gets nukes may have something to do with his placement in history.

Do you honestly believe that Bush has a plan for preventing Mad-dog Ahmadinejad from getting nuclear weapons? Iraq will soon be divided between the Iranians and Al Qaeda after Bush starts a premature withdrawal. Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria will then fall to Al Qaeda, and things start to look very bad for Israel, for Europe and for the United States.

82 posted on 12/05/2006 10:45:58 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: elhombrelibre

You are right.


83 posted on 12/05/2006 10:46:05 AM PST by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
...some people will always fail to take advantage of those opportunities.

Right. That's why you can't really compare the "War on Poverty" and the War in Iraq. The will to win in war takes committed leadership.

84 posted on 12/05/2006 10:46:51 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: trumandogz
ident bush would have never lead us into a war which we could not win. Therefore, we will not lose this war.

I agree with you. However the President does not need more troubles than what we already have, not the least from the new candidate for Secretary of Defense.

85 posted on 12/05/2006 10:47:20 AM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas
In Iraq we are fighting all the main terrorism actors in the world Al Qaeda, Syria and Iran.

You seem to forget the Arab Shi'ite Islamofascists and their militias who are thoroughly embedded in the Iraqi government, courtesy of the U.S. taxpayers.

86 posted on 12/05/2006 10:48:05 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: jveritas

Good bait thread!


87 posted on 12/05/2006 10:48:11 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: traditional1

Michigan had their shot at #1. They lost. Florida won the toughest conference playing the toughest schedule.

That's OK. I understand there is no love for the Gators. We'll see who comes out on top in January.


88 posted on 12/05/2006 10:48:22 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: rbmillerjr
Get out now.

If the US withdraws now, then Bush's presidency will have been a total, unmitigated disaster. It is difficult to describe the harm to the American position in the Middle East that leaving now, with Iraq in civil war, would cause. Decisions have consequences, and a decision to withdraw would have affect the US position in the world for the next century.

89 posted on 12/05/2006 10:48:46 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: PghBaldy
The problem with that concept of "winning" is that it is determined by the Iraqis, not us

Do you really see it as a problem?

Upon winning the resumed war against Iraq, I've always seen that concept of winning the insurgenies as the minimum goal.

90 posted on 12/05/2006 10:48:51 AM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Alter Kaker

I have severed doubts, but will wait and see. The President has repeatedly said he will not allow Iran to have nukes, and I trust him (words have meaning, and one of mine is to help make it come to pass). The problem is, I can't remember if he has said that since the elections. BTW - his father started the Somalia endeavor (which Clinton messed up) in the last month or so of his Presidency, IIRC it was Dec 1992.


91 posted on 12/05/2006 10:51:02 AM PST by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: jveritas
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1748830/posts

The defeatist mentality always ignores the good news. See the link above.

92 posted on 12/05/2006 10:51:30 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Iraq: the next country Liberals want to abandon just before Israel.)
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To: rbmillerjr

And by doing so you handed the terrorists like Al Qaeda, Syria, and Iran the biggest victory since islam existed. They will be emboldened beyond belief, they will control the Middle East and all its oil resources and they will use this huge amount of money to destroy our country and our way of life. If some terrorists in a cave in Afghanistan were able to do 9/11 with few people and some little money, imagine what the terrorists will do with hundreds of billions of oil money. If we leave Iraq without defeating Al Qaeda, Syria, and Iran there, then we are going to face the worst nightmares in our history.


93 posted on 12/05/2006 10:51:41 AM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

One, Gates never said we were losing the war. Two, Rumsfeld told Bush we werent winning the war and staying the course wasnt going to do win it. That is why he was devising new strategies at the time Bush fired him. Seems the only one here delusional besides yourself is Bush. All is rosy with the world. Yeah right. Kill Sadr and mutilate his Mahdi militia and then maybe I will believe that Bush knows what he's doing.


94 posted on 12/05/2006 10:52:02 AM PST by Dave S
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To: Omega Man II

"He said we're neither winning or losing."

Boy, that's a morale booster from the new secretary-designate.


95 posted on 12/05/2006 10:52:35 AM PST by RexBeach ("In war there is no substitute for victory." Douglas MacArthur)
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To: jveritas

Welcome to the consequences of sitting at home during election day.


96 posted on 12/05/2006 10:52:38 AM PST by Terpfen ("Conservatives" who sat at home cost us the War on Terror, SCOTUS, and economic success.)
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To: Jim 0216
Actually, fighting a War on Poverty (Reaganite style or even LBJ style) was a piece of cake compared to the officially stated benchmarks of "winning" in the Bosnia writ large of Iraq.

The Iraqis have shown nothing but contempt for the stated goals of pluralistic democracy and liberty by their consistent readiness to overwhelmingly elect intolerant pro-Iranian Shi'ite fundamentlists

97 posted on 12/05/2006 10:54:03 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: rbmillerjr

the libs and media want to turn this into a Vietnam.
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IF folks WOULD realize it IS turning into another Vietnam we'd be better off. We're handcuffing our fighting forces as our divided nation fights a PC war over there, exactly the same situation as Vietnam. Make glass out of the "troublesome" areas of the country and leave.


98 posted on 12/05/2006 10:55:21 AM PST by cowdog77 ("Are there any brave men left in Washington or are they all cowards?")
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To: Alter Kaker
In this case, withdrawal means genocide, with malice of forethought to be laid directly at the feet of those who order the withdrawal. And those who wish for it ignore the consequences and the judgment history will have on us if we allow the self-pity and impatience to lead to that type of human suffering.
99 posted on 12/05/2006 10:55:32 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Iraq: the next country Liberals want to abandon just before Israel.)
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To: Alter Kaker

"Do you honestly believe that Bush has a plan for preventing Mad-dog Ahmadinejad from getting nuclear weapons?"

He can't even get the UN to embargo luxury goods.

Bush is weak. Has it ever happened that an incoming official could body slam his superior by comparing him badly to his father? REgarding force size that is.

Bush trusted the StarWars lobbyist Rumsfeld and fired Generals who disagreed with Rumsfeld's strategy.


100 posted on 12/05/2006 10:56:27 AM PST by Shermy
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