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1 posted on 12/05/2006 5:19:13 AM PST by SJackson
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2 posted on 12/05/2006 5:22:13 AM PST by SJackson (A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user, T. Roosevelt)
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Oh, come on...be fair... A quarter-century of savage attacks on civilians has convinced him of the righteousness of their cause! </sarc>

But in seriousness, if W ever discussed this topic back then, I would imagine we'd find a similar volte-face.

3 posted on 12/05/2006 5:24:15 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: SJackson

I thought he was opposed to an American state.


4 posted on 12/05/2006 5:25:04 AM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: SJackson
As usual, Ronald Reagan had the right idea.

US President Ronald Reagan launched his peace plan on the Palestine Question on September 1, 1982 following Israel’s war against the Palestine Liberation Organization in Lebanon. The specific proposals made in the Reagan Peace Plan may be summarized as follows:

-Full autonomy for the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza during a transitional period of five years, which would begin to run after an election of a self-governing authority.

-A freeze on Israeli settlements during the transitional period, because further settlement activity is in no way necessary for the security of Israel and only diminishes the confidence of the Arabs that a final outcome can be freely and fairly negotiated.

-The US will not support the establishment of an independent Palestinian State in the West Bank and Gaza, nor their annexation or permanent control over them by Israel.

-The final status of the West Bank and Gaza must be decided through negotiations, but it is the firm view of the US that self-government by the Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza in association with Jordan offers the best chance for a durable, just and lasting peace.

-In return for peace, Israel would withdraw from the West Bank and Gaza, except from such part as would be required to assure its security. The plan specifies that the extent to which Israel should be asked to give up territory will be heavily affected by the extent of true peace and normalization and the security arrangements offered in return.

-Jerusalem must remain undivided, but its final status should be decided through negotiations.

It makes even more sense now, with Jordan and Israel being on good terms.

-Eric

5 posted on 12/05/2006 5:27:27 AM PST by E Rocc (Myspace "Freepers" group moderator)
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To: SJackson

Jimmie is just another liberal caught in his duel thinking. He just can't have it both ways.


6 posted on 12/05/2006 5:28:11 AM PST by bmwcyle (The snake is loose in the garden and Eve just bit the apple.)
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Jimmy 'I fought the killer rabbit and survived' Carter - an ex-President still in search of a legacy.


7 posted on 12/05/2006 5:28:44 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: SJackson

This is the perfect example of the kind of lies this man told back then to deceive people and get elected.


8 posted on 12/05/2006 5:40:59 AM PST by rightazrain (Past is prologue.)
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It's delusional to think that if the Palestinians have their own state, they'll stop blowing up innocent Jewish men, women and children.


10 posted on 12/05/2006 5:59:19 AM PST by randita
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To: SJackson
This must be internalized ...

"Pay close attention, for what is playing out in Israel today is the future of the West."

11 posted on 12/05/2006 5:59:46 AM PST by knarf (Islamists kill each other ... News wall-to-wall, 24/7 .. don't touch that dial.)
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Pay close attention, for what is playing out in Israel today is the future of the West.

Israel is the size of a small postage stamp with 6 million people surrounded by 200+million mooselimbs. Whatever happens in Israel might be an indication of mooselimb's desire for the west, but it's a far cry from a predictor of the future.

If tehran nuked Israel out of existance, it would indicate that they want to do the same to the US, but certainly wouldn't mean that they could do it.

13 posted on 12/05/2006 6:05:06 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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OUTSTANDING article by Jeff Ballabon. Thanks for posting.

What has changed...?

Fellow traveller$ go with the $trong hor$e.

15 posted on 12/05/2006 6:06:50 AM PST by PGalt
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I support a Palestinian state: how else can Israel declare war and put an end to this crap. Give 'em a country then annihilate it the first time one of their state supported murderers cuts loose in Israel.


16 posted on 12/05/2006 6:09:17 AM PST by Little Ray
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To: SJackson

Some statesman.


17 posted on 12/05/2006 6:13:26 AM PST by exnavy (God means love, not hate.)
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To: SJackson

I figured this statement was "current" Carter, and that the kicker would be that he wanted the Palestinians to be given all Israeli land, ASAP.


21 posted on 12/05/2006 7:46:40 AM PST by supremedoctrine ("Talent hits a target no one else can hit, genius hits a target no one else can see"--Schopenhauer)
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To: SJackson

I cringe whenever I read or hear "American Statesman" in the same sentence with Carter. He is a total embarrassment. Too bad Billy isn't around still to show him how to be a real American.


22 posted on 12/05/2006 7:53:23 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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Will Jimmy Carter's State become a possession of Iran? The answer is in the way he and his people want to deal with Islamist expansionism overseas.


24 posted on 12/05/2006 8:31:59 AM PST by familyop
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The turning point for Mr Carter is (1)his ego, (2)an absence of a final peace between Israel and her immediate neighbors, (3)the fact that his own beliefs in the myths of land-for-peace have failed, and he knows it, and (4)his age, which is diminishing the time for him to complete his ego-satisfying sense of his "legacy".

In other words, the "turning point" for Carter is that time is running out, for him, and it is more convenient to blame others than to acknowledge the mistaken myths which contributed to his own failures.

Carter is very much like many Middle Eastern Arabs (not all). He creates myths in his own mind and no ongoing evidence to the contrary can shake the myths that now form a prism through which all events must be filtered. It is a convenient way of (1) denying reality and (2)denying your own guilt.


26 posted on 12/05/2006 9:12:09 AM PST by Wuli
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