Congress Open to Passing Bill on Immigration (Citizenship for 20 million illegals!)

The Washington Times ^ | December 4, 2006 | Charles Hurt

[kellynla]

Congress will approve an immigration bill that will grant citizenship rights to most of the 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens in the U.S. after Democrats take control next month, predict both sides on Capitol Hill. While Republicans have been largely splintered on the issue of immigration reform, Democrats have been fairly unified behind the principle that the illegals currently in the country should get citizenship rights without having to first leave the country.

[taxed2death]

"but these articles never bother to calculate the billions (quite likely many, many times the amount of the cost) of dollars saved by California consumers via the reduction in prices brought about by the illegal aliens."



And of course only YOU can provide us with this information, right?

source?

[taxed2death]

"You posted that tens of thousands (maybe one hundred thousand) got in for every one apprehended.
Can you stick to your own (bad) facts?"

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In case you missed it, correction is here:





From the article:

Our Border Patrol claims it has apprehended or turned back at least 25% of those who try to illegally enter this country.

http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/tsegel/2005/ts_04251.shtml


...again, do the math. Seems like my 6000+ a week figure was actually low.

[FReepapalooza]

No I am not, but the percentage that are, are miniscule in comparison to the percentage that are illegal immigrants and their "so-called" anchor babies. I was answering in context to this thread.

[taxed2death]

"but these articles never bother to calculate the billions (quite likely many, many times the amount of the cost) of dollars saved by California consumers via the reduction in prices brought about by the illegal aliens."

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Fuzzy math?
Sources?

At least I provided numbers and then a correction.

[Kellis91789]

Exactly. As soon as the existing illegals become legal, they will cost more to employ, and they'll be competing against a new crop of illegals for those jobs.

Which just means more Americans will find some excuse to go on welfare rather than get down in the gutter and try to live on the new (lower) common wage.

But it's OK, right ? There's an endless supply of tax money from the 'rich' (read, 'overworked and highly productive') American workers, right ?

With less money in their pockets, those American workers will start to NEED more government services. A Socialist spiral I don't see a way to recover from. A Dim's dream come true.

[Mo1]

My friend is not of Mexican heritage

And she believes as I do .. that if immigrants want to come here .. do it legally

[Luis Gonzalez]

That's not our Border Patrol!!!!

This is our Border Patrol, substantiate your numbers from this site if you're going to claim substantiation from "our Border Patrol."

Typical, can't tell a pundit from a policeman.

[taxed2death]

"but these articles never bother to calculate the billions (quite likely many, many times the amount of the cost) of dollars saved by California consumers via the reduction in prices brought about by the illegal aliens."

????

[Riverman94610]

I asked one of my Latino friends about coming over legally and according to them,the wait is a minimum of ten years.
Don't know if thats accurate but that was his perception.

[Mo1]

Its like discussing the Constitutionality of Civil Rights Laws with a black person.To me as a white person,I can make some theoretical argument about how the Federal Government may have exceeded its jurisdiction in 1964.To a black person its like,"F Constitutionality.Do you want me and my family to have to go to the back of the bus again?" Things get ugly and objective discussion is silenced.

BTW .. if you approach a discussion like that .. I'm not surprised that you get into an ugly discussion

[Mo1]

Well my friend is a legal citizen of our country .. if that's what you are aiming at

[Kellis91789]

I can't believe how many people seem to think this is just some game. People asked me why I was so depressed after the election -- after all, how much different can things be with the Dims in control ?

Fools. How much different ? How about the end of American Civilization ? How about a wildly devalued dollar ? How about going from a relatively low-tax country to one of the highest ?

1) Legalize illegals
2) Attract more illegals
3) Lower wages further
4) Lower wages encourage more socialist spending
5) Cultural Balkanization reduces productivity
6) Socialist spending requires higher taxes against less productive populace
7) Higher taxes create even more need for socialist programs
8) More Socialist spending results in Higher debt, which devalues dollar
9) Devalued dollar raises cost of living -- imports no longer cheap
10) Devalued dollar pushes debt payments out of control
11) America defaults on all debts
12) The End

Hey ! It's a 12-step program.

It shouldn't take more than twenty years to destroy what WAS the greatest nation in history.

[spectre]

Of course, you are correct.

But try and tell it to the defenders of Illegals right here on this thread!..Listen to them, LOL..

Are they are too dim-bulbed to understand that the minorities will always vote for the Democrats..the party of entitlements? Or do they believe in miracles ?

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[Mo1]

I didn't vote to give the Dems control

[taxed2death]

I keep on asking all these b-bots and supporters of illegals if they have some secret place where's they're hiding 20+ million "future Republicans'?

No one has provided me with any answer yet.

The other poster needs to add #13.

GWB will be the master architect of the dismantling of the Republican party.

[ballplayer]

We had the election and the people threw out the republicans and now the people must suffer .
Bring it on,,go ahead bus 5 year olds for 3 hours a day so they can look at a different color face ,after all this is America. If you dont like it go to parochial school.
We need more judges like these to make wonderful laws like this.After all we must judge people by the color of their skin not their character . That is what Martin Luther King said and we all know what he says is written in stone

[kellynla]

"Illegal aliens dump as much as $7 billion a year into the Federal coffers in the way untraceable SS payments."

Seeing as you have about as much credibility as a screen door on a submarine,
I am going to have to ask you for a source.

[taxed2death]

I'm still waiting for him to substantiate this gem. Sounds awful touchy-feely to me.

"but these articles never bother to calculate the billions (quite likely many, many times the amount of the cost) of dollars saved by California consumers via the reduction in prices brought about by the illegal aliens."

[Kellis91789]

No, based on your posts, I'm sure you didn't. Nobody I pinged fell into that 'teach the GOP a lesson' crowd, as far as I know.

I'm just ranting about the apathetic response to the election losses that I've gotten.

[LowOiL]

Hey, but the border bots showed the GOP by staying home. Now of course they're going to squeal the loudest and blame the GOP some more.

LOL, Eve blamed the snake, Adam blamed Eve... blah blah blah... How about blaming the fact that more people voted for their liberal trash canidate than their less evil trash canidate RINO...

Fortuanately our two mostly conservative Senators kicked butt.