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USAir Flt. 300 Passenger Pauline Klemmer Tells the Real Story on the Flying Imams
DebbieSchlussel.com ^ | 2 DEC 2006 | Debbie Schlussel

Posted on 12/03/2006 11:42:26 AM PST by radar101

Reader Paul S. and several others sent us this letter written by Pauline Klemmer, a passenger on U.S. Airways Flight 300, on which the Six "Flying Imams" caused problems and over which Islamic America is now in hysterics.

As you'll note, she details how they were actually doing a dry run and perhaps planning an attack or something of that nature. Also note, her letter is dated more than a week ago. Yet no media interviewed her or reported her story. We've removed her address and phone number from the letter, the second half of which is a must read (we've put the important parts in bold

November 21, 2006 US Airways Airline

To all news stations concerned:

In reference to the removal of the six Muslim gentlemen from flight 300 at the Minneapolis -St. Paul airport last light, prior to the planes departure:

I was a passenger on that flight, sitting in seat 5-E originally and later temporarily sitting in the front row of first class, while waiting for everyone to disembark the plane for a safety check. Having been on the plane, witnessed what transpired first hand and talked at great length with the first class steward regarding other facts, I am "ENRAGED" at the national AND local news reports I have seen this morning.

The facts reported are incomplete and inaccurate. This event was immediately jumped on by their attorney, who told the American people on CNBC they need to get over 911, stop being paranoid about Muslims and he even threatened a huge law suit against US Airways for the discriminating and humiliating treatment of his clients. I am convinced this entire thing may have been done to intimidate not only US Airways, but all airlines and airports in order to get them to back off on their security efforts. This is only part of the real story.

In defense of US Airways: They did a splendid job of handling the situation. No panic was created we felt protected at all times. They did not make a knee jerk reaction as a result of one passenger passing them as note as reported by the media.

Most importantly, the public needs to be told that there was a series of" many suspicious events", which were observed by the crew and several passengers. The captain made his decision based on all of these events and not just one note.

Their attorney is trying to turn this into a "right to pray in a public place issue" and it is not that at all. He is claiming they were removed from the plane for praying in public. And inferring it is wrong to discriminate against them for this. Claiming that we Americans don't understand their religion and their need to pray everyday at specific times, he stated that WE need to be more tolerant of their religious beliefs. He made a statement trying to draw an analogy of the right to carry a bible or a rosary on a plane. This is nothing more than a smoke screen to make this a human rights issue and intimidate the airline industry. They were already claiming discrimination to Fox TV news when I got home from the airport. Something does not smell right here.

This has all of the earmarks of a preplanned "set up" with their attorney all ready to go. I am sure their attorney has made a point of contacting all of you immediately, even last night, in order to get their slanted side of the story out first. Do not be fooled by this propaganda. You in the media have a moral responsibility to investigate all of the facts, not just statements you are fed by them.

I would encourage you to interview the plane's captain, the first class steward and the gate ticket taker to confirm the following facts.

These are the correct facts:

The airline employee taking tickets reported to the crew that she felt very uncomfortable with the men and so she engaged one of them in a conversation to feel him out. I assume he spoke English to her in their conversation. She stated she felt uncomfortable with them and she felt they were extreme fundamentalists. She needs to be interviewed by the news media for her side of the story.

Several passengers observed the men praying and chanting near the gate prior to boarding. They were sitting apart from everyone else, behind the wall which stands behind the ticket counter at the gate. I was eating dinner while they were praying and chanting and did not observe this part, but spoke with a passenger, after we disembarked who has observed this.

I seem to remember hearing something on the news after 911 about the terrorists praying at the airport prior to departing on 911. If this is true then there is a legitimate cause for concern and doing so created an inflammatory situation. If it is their custom to pray at a certain time each day at sunset, they know this in advance and easily could have taken the 7pm flight, two hours later, doing their prayers prior to arriving at the airport. One question is: were they intentionally trying to create fear in the passengers by praying loudly in public, hoping to get removed from the plane?

I took a seat next to the men about 20 minutes prior to boarding. (I had been having dinner earlier and did not observe their prayers.) They spoke no English while seated next to me only Arabic, or what ever language they speak. One of the gentlemen acted very intense and nervous. He was on one phone call the entire time talking very fast while he passed back and forth in front of me. I said nothing to anyone about this, but was later told by first class passengers that this same conversation continued for at least another hour from his front row seat in first class. A man in the third row of first class told me he had a very uncomfortable feeling about this man.

Their seating arrangement was very unusual and it raised a red flag to the crew. Only one of the 6 sat in first class, with the telephone, although they were all together. The rest sat in coach. The second one sat in the first row of coach in front of me; I think another mid way back in the plane and the rest in the very rear of the plane. They were there early enough to get seats together but chose to spread out.

Another strange thing the crew noticed was the way they boarded. When they made the call for first class passengers the other 5 boarded as well.

The one in first class, which had been on the telephone, did not stay seated in his first class seat, but walked back to the rear of the plane twice to talk to his friends, during the delay.

One of the passengers sitting close to them in the rear of the plane overheard their conversation and became very nervous. I believe he may have been the one who sent the note up to the crew and captain. I was told later that there was mention of Ala. [DS: Allah] and the word terrorists in their conversation.

A woman passenger, who understood their language, indicated they were making slanderous remarks about the American people, thinking no one would know what they were saying. This raised concern also.

The most suspicious thing, which has not yet been mentioned on the news, and needs to come out publicly, is the fact that the man in the first class front row asked for and was given a seat belt extender as did one of the men in the rear of the plane. This can be confirmed by the male steward serving first class on the flight. The strange and totally unexplainable thing about this request by them was the fact that neither of these men was fat enough to even need an extender strap for their seatbelt in the first place and the crew noticed that they not even put it on but placed them on the floor by their feet. Why ask for them and not use them, especially if you don't even need one?

I was a witness to the seat belt extender on the floor in first class, as the steward asked me to hand him so he could show it to the FBI and the Police. It was a totally detachable strap about 18 in length that could easily be used as a noose around a flight attendant or passenger's neck to create a hostage situation on the plane. With one in the back of the plane and another in the front and their people positioned in between they were perfectly positioned to take control of the entire plane with out any weapons. The captain, crew, police and FBI all obviously also felt this was a real possibility when combined with the note passed to them by an obviously shaken man who had heard some of their conversation. Put all of this together along with the fact that the ticket agent at the gate was not comfortable and a couple of other passenger observations it added up to a situation of possible danger.

Should the Airline, crew and captain be blamed for deciding to protect the safely of several hundred passengers after their lengthy deliberation of the facts?

No, it was not just a note from a paranoid passenger as reported on television, but many things that just added up to a very uncomfortable feeling. The airline, police and FBI acted responsibly, professionally and in the interest of the majority of passengers. Any potential law suits from these people are totally unfounded and ludicrous.

Doesn't the fact that these men already had an attorney lined up to immediately alert the media seem like a "pre-set up deal" to get the airlines and security to back off and ease up on the high alert issue?

Did they even tell their own attorney about the seat belt extenders sitting on the floor? Probably not.

With all of their accusations on CNBC's morning news about passenger paranoia put aside there is still no answer to a very simple question. What were they going to do with the seat belt extenders?

Why did they have one in the front and one in the back of the plane and why were they sitting on the floor by their feet and not in use?

I can only determine two possible scenarios:

Either they were planning to use the seat belt extenders to subdue hostages and take over the plane and were caught by their suspicious activities.

Or, it was done intentionally to induce suspicion and make a big public fuss to intimidate security at the airports.

They claim we have discriminated against them and they were humiliated. They fail to accept the fact that what happened to them on flight 300 was a direct result of their own people's hateful behavior on 911, while once more trying to put the blame for everything on the Americans.

What about the human rights of the several hundred people sitting on flight 300? Most of the passengers were going home for the thanksgiving holiday. Don't we have the right to get home safely for thanksgiving? Any psychologist will tell you they were simply trying to project the blame for this unfortunate event back at the airline in order to avoid any personal responsibility for their actions, or the actions of the 911 terrorists.

Upon watching the 5 o'clock news tonight I heard more about this incident. Now they are reporting the men to be clerics. Last night at 1 pm they were calling themselves scholars who were attending a conference. It would be interesting what kind of a conference they had been attending. I question, from my close personal observations of them prior to boarding that they are either. I would also like to see this investigated also. I believe there is a real story here that the American public deserves. US Airlines has been caught off guard by these accusations and is being painted as the bad guy, stating they will make their own internal investigation. Why, all of a sudden now, are they made to look guilty by the media? Only the media can clear the air on the truth here. They need your help and support in this matter.

Let's not sweep this under the rug as yesterday's news. I challenge the news media to investigate the real facts of these backgrounds, what had they been attending in Minneapolis as well as interview the crew and people involved bringing the real truth to the American public. They deserve the truth, for the future of their own safely. Please do not just let this mater drop. Thank you!

Pauline Klemmer


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: flyingimams; islam; islamofascist; lyingmanipulators; manipulation; trop; usair
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1 posted on 12/03/2006 11:42:28 AM PST by radar101
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To: radar101; 91B; HiJinx; Spiff; MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; clintonh8r; TEXOKIE; windchime; ...
..she details how they were actually doing a dry run and perhaps planning an attack or something of that nature. Also note, her letter is dated more than a week ago. Yet no media interviewed her or reported her story. ...

Gee I wonder why it is that the media hasn't covered this????? < / SARC

2 posted on 12/03/2006 11:45:49 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: radar101

I HOPE any flight that I am on will respond exactly as USAirways did. To do anything less would be completely irresponsible to the point of being criminal.


3 posted on 12/03/2006 11:46:35 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: radar101
The bastards need to be tried in court for disrupting a flight, perhaps even attempting to aid the enemy by weakening our defenses by making people reluctant to report suspecious behavior least they be called racist.

If the latter part is found to be true, they were helping the enemy, hang them.

4 posted on 12/03/2006 11:46:40 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Why is the Viagra car in NASCAR a Ford and not a Stretch Limo?)
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To: radar101

Too bad the 'media' will ignore this as well. It really makes you wonder just who's side they're on and who's agenda they're pushing.


6 posted on 12/03/2006 11:51:10 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (A liberal is a suicide bomber without the guts)
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To: radar101

Thanks to Debbie Schlussel for posting this on her site. The Mainstream Media has buried the truth about what happened with these "Flying Imans." Once again, the Muslim is the victim. We are supposed to be wrong for being so "paranoid" and Islamophobic. It's all intended to make us lower our guard and to tolerate the intolerable.


7 posted on 12/03/2006 11:51:43 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth shall set you free))))
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To: radar101

well I guess she changed her mind about not wanting her name to be known - I had read when the posting first came out that she was so concerned for her safety that she didn't stay at her home the first night after her email got into wider distribution.


8 posted on 12/03/2006 11:53:07 AM PST by IOWAfan (We depress easily thinking about Iowa Football, but are packing for the Alamo Bowl.)
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To: radar101
I have a message for those Imams. It's from the Koran, and it applies to the notion that they may have been treated "unjustly" in that airplane...they can pass this on to their brothers:

"Have you considered what you sow?” [The Event 56.63]

Perhaps, we have a damned good reason to scrutinize Muslims in airplanes.

9 posted on 12/03/2006 11:53:39 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: radar101
a nicer flying cleric:


10 posted on 12/03/2006 11:55:54 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: radar101
Why haven't these guys been charged with a crime?

ML/NJ

11 posted on 12/03/2006 11:56:56 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Doctor Raoul
No, not court. These are enemy combatants. They need to be captured, along with their "lawyer", and shipped off to Club Gitmo.
12 posted on 12/03/2006 12:00:36 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (We are but Seekers of Truth, not the Source.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

I am so tired of hearing about "muslims" and their "rage" and "anger" that I want to puke. All this talk of "imams" and "clerics" and such is a smokescreen, to hide the fact that islam is not a "religion" in the sense that most rational people understand. This so-called "great religion" is no more than a cult, a murderous one at that. Its adherents are a clear and present danger to the US and the West. The current PC views taken by the MSM and their democrat cohorts endanger all Americans.


13 posted on 12/03/2006 12:01:28 PM PST by astounded (Islam - a murderous cult masquerading as a religion...)
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To: ml/nj
They aren't criminals. They are holy warriors, in a war against civilization. They should be captured and held as prisoners of war, for the duration of the war (and this is going to be a long one ...)
14 posted on 12/03/2006 12:02:13 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (We are but Seekers of Truth, not the Source.)
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To: radar101

Why are there no pictures of the six flying demons?


15 posted on 12/03/2006 12:04:59 PM PST by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: radar101

"get over 911?!!?!"
never!
those people need to be expelled and prevented from ever coming back into the USA.


16 posted on 12/03/2006 12:05:34 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: ThePythonicCow
"They aren't criminals. They are holy warriors, in a war against civilization."

And our culture will lose if we don't realize this. We will be brought under the sword of Islam if we don't wake up.
Many in our nation think that we can just sit back, focus on accumulating things, and ignore evil, and everything will be ok.
We ignore history at our peril. Islam has no desire to co-exist with Western culture. Islam wants Western culture erased and enslaved.
17 posted on 12/03/2006 12:09:57 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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For decades, the radical left has tried to call America a democracy ( yes, I know it isn't ), so let us for a moment take their position - then we as the majority have the right to tell Moslims they must adhere to our rules and desires; they must not do some things in public that would offend or unduly concern those of us in the majority. That is a rather simple proposition that flows from the philosophical premises.

Even if we assume the representative argument, rather than the democratic, the same results are desirable. There is no religious right of the Islamic faith that trumps our secular rights in this case. We have the right to fly with the least concerns for our safety. The adherants of Islam will need to conform to the wishes of the American majority, or leave for greener pastures. The same position that requires the removal of the sacred from Christmas will allow the removal of disruptive imans from an airplane under the conditions described in the article.

18 posted on 12/03/2006 12:13:52 PM PST by gb63
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Islam wants ALL other cultures erased and enslaved.

There, I fixed it.


19 posted on 12/03/2006 12:16:42 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: astounded
...islam is not a "religion" in the sense that most rational people understand. This so-called "great religion" is no more than a cult, a murderous one at that.

Indeed. If this point can be made, and accepted widely, then perhaps some of their PC cover can be stripped away, and the American public will see these thugs for what they really are.

20 posted on 12/03/2006 12:17:09 PM PST by Salvey (ancest)
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