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Calif. Diocese Snubs Episcopal Church
AP & Newsday ^ | 12/2/06 | GARANCE BURKE

Posted on 12/02/2006 12:57:29 PM PST by kiriath_jearim

FRESNO, Calif. -- In a public rebuke of the Episcopal Church, a conservative diocese voted Saturday to affirm its membership in the worldwide Anglican Communion after distancing itself from the American denomination over issues of sexuality and the ordination of women.

Some delegates to the Diocese of San Joaquin's convention called it a first step toward a formal break with the national church.

"The national church has forced us to this point where we have to pick -- is our ultimate authority scripture or is our ultimate authority an institution that has run amok?" said the Rev. Russell VanRozeboom, the diocese's chancellor. "This diocese has always shown itself to be resistant to the heresies of the national church."

Divisions erupted in 2003 when the Episcopal Church, the U.S. wing of the 77 million-member Anglican family, consecrated the first openly gay bishop, V. Gene Robinson of New Hampshire. Traditionalists contend that gay partnerships violate Scripture.

San Joaquin Bishop John-David Schofield, who refuses to ordain women and gays, has publicly accused the church's first female leader, Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori, of promoting "heresy." Under his leadership, the Fresno-based diocese has stopped sending most funds to the national church and has considered a plan to affiliate with an Anglican diocese in Argentina.

The San Joaquin diocese's proposal to distance itself from the American denomination was approved by a majority of the 204 clergy and lay delegates. It formalizes the diocese's identity as a member of the Anglican Communion, rather than a member of the Episcopal Church.

The resolution was noticeably weaker than an amendment pulled this week that would have given delegates the choice to formally split with the U.S. denomination, which would have set off a legal battle over the diocese's millions of dollars in real estate.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: anglican; episcopal; sanjoaquin

1 posted on 12/02/2006 12:57:30 PM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

Glad to see it. The liberal national Episcopalians have little moral authority.


2 posted on 12/02/2006 1:10:54 PM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: kiriath_jearim

It's about time brothers! I mean, you are waaaaay to slow to smell the brimstone. What happened, the gay bishop finally normalize the 10th and final commandment and decide that one wasn't really sin either? That's what pushed you over the edge? Welllll......welcome to the party but it took you long enough to get here.


3 posted on 12/02/2006 1:15:42 PM PST by joebuck
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To: kiriath_jearim

A good first step. I'm waiting for the Confessing Methodists to break from the United Methodists. I'd love to be able to appreciate the Methodist church again.


4 posted on 12/02/2006 1:19:50 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: kiriath_jearim

Same thing is happening around Dallas: one congregation here has affiliated with the archdiocese of Peru.


5 posted on 12/02/2006 1:20:46 PM PST by Redbob
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To: kiriath_jearim

This is a good thing. I was appalled by the new presiding bishop and her attitude that it's our duty not to have kids because the prime value of the Episcopal Church was "stewardship of the earth."

You can spend a very long time with a member of the Episcopal clergy without hearing the name Jesus Christ. They seem to be recasting it as a liberal political movement without "all the Jesus stuff."

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


6 posted on 12/02/2006 1:21:20 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F (Build more lampposts... we've got plenty of traitors.)
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To: sionnsar

FYI...


7 posted on 12/02/2006 1:25:24 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

You must be smoking rope.


8 posted on 12/02/2006 1:26:59 PM PST by Comus
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To: joebuck
The Episcopal Church Diocese of San Joaquin has many qualities, but slow is not among them. They have been at the forefront opposing the liberalization of the church. Bishop John-David Schofield has not altered his stance in the 15 or so years since I first met with him. Neither the bishop nor the diocese are deserving of criticism for the long battles they have waged. They are weighed down in yet another battle now that will shape the future of the church in our nation, and may well in-turn help shape the future of our nation.

Chuck Plante
Fresno, California
9 posted on 12/02/2006 1:38:25 PM PST by backtothestreets (Invite Jesus to pray with you.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
This one time COE choir boy did more than "snub" the church.

I flushed it years ago when this PC Neo-Unitarian stuff started.

I am not mad about it, just sad and disappointed. It was an important part of my life when I was young.

10 posted on 12/02/2006 1:55:23 PM PST by Gorzaloon ("Illegal Immigrant": The Larval form of A Democrat.)
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To: ahadams2; neodad; Tribemike; rabscuttle385; cf_river_rat; fgoodwin; secret garden; ...
Thanks to BlessedBeGod for the ping.

I will just note that the author of this piece apparently got his story wrong yesterday, as noted (at the end) here at VirtueOnline-News:

Episcopal diocese ends talk of split
By GARANCE BURKE

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11 posted on 12/02/2006 2:41:42 PM PST by sionnsar (?trad-anglican.faithweb.com?|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Criminal Number 18F
This is a good thing. I was appalled by the new presiding bishop and her attitude that it's our duty not to have kids because the prime value of the Episcopal Church was "stewardship of the earth."

She said that? Wow. Gay and Gaia.

12 posted on 12/02/2006 4:15:49 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Wilhelm Tell

Yeah, she said that in the interview with what I guess will bee the official church publication: The New York Times. It was reported here in FR at the time, and Mark Steyn zinged her in a column. Here is Mark's column in the Chicago Sun-Times:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/steyn/149527,CST-EDT-steyn26.article


An interesting blog post:

http://www.peter-ould.net/?p=132

Don't miss the comment on her mother's funeral... this is a woman whose mother changed religions to get away from her whacky theology!

I have looked up the records on her pilot's license, mentioned in several news stories. The FAA records show her as Katherine Jefferts.

And yes, she is a huge gay activist. "Not that there's anything wrong with that." Just, not in my pulpit, thank you very much.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


13 posted on 12/02/2006 4:42:07 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F (Build more lampposts... we've got plenty of traitors.)
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To: Criminal Number 18F
I was appalled by the new presiding bishop and her attitude that it's our duty not to have kids

Good! Kids do not need to be brought into the Episcopal Church of Debauchery.

14 posted on 12/02/2006 4:48:13 PM PST by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: Gorzaloon

Where did you go?


15 posted on 12/02/2006 6:48:16 PM PST by Huber ("Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of classes - our ancestors." - G K Chesterton)
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To: Huber
Where did you go?

Home. Some of the other denominations were as bad or worse.

16 posted on 12/03/2006 4:04:27 AM PST by Gorzaloon ("Illegal Immigrant": The Larval form of A Democrat.)
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To: Gorzaloon
Home. Some of the other denominations were as bad or worse.

Yes, some are, however some are excellent. We have been very pleased with the Anglican Catholic Church, There are a number of other excellent continuing Anglican churches, some more Catholic, some more reformed and some more evangelical. Many have also discovered the Orthodox Church or rediscovered a revitalized Roman Catholic church under John-Paul II and Benedict XV1. For those who are more committed to hard "P" Protestantism, we have also seen much solid instruction in the Presbyterian Church in America. The list goes on, but while the leadership of many of the old mainline churches has been infiltrated by the forces of confusion and hypocracy, Christ's church will always endure.

17 posted on 12/03/2006 1:23:52 PM PST by Huber ("Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of classes - our ancestors." - G K Chesterton)
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To: Huber
The list goes on, but while the leadership of many of the old mainline churches has been infiltrated by the forces of confusion and hypocracy, Christ's church will always endure.

"Founded on a Rock"..Which brings us to "..And on this rock (Gr. Petra)", back to Rome.

Well, I was High Church and we had immigrants who used to attend by mistake for lengthy periods till they learned to their horror we were not THE Church!

Something in my 1640 WASP culture sits there like a rock of its own....

One hears of people abandoning churches. Sadly, this thread shows that churches can abandon people. I am comfortable with the Hymnal 1940 and the Book of Common Prayer. It is almost in the genes. Yes, I know they were compiled by Imperfect Mortals.

18 posted on 12/03/2006 3:34:54 PM PST by Gorzaloon ("Illegal Immigrant": The Larval form of A Democrat.)
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