In U.S., fear and distrust of Muslims runs deep

Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 12/2/06 | Bernd Debusmann

[Salem]

Some people are working on it:

[William Terrell]

You don't think that interring Japanese saved a lot of Japanese lives? It did. The anger of Americans after the bombing of Pearl was unthinking, and understandable. A number of Japanese never made it to the camps. Would you have seen more of that?

Here you are, 60 years after the fact, judging the consequences of war, a war in which a lot of American mother's son were killed. And every mother of a soldier stayed at home waiting for that telegram.

You had better believe that any little action that could increase the chance of her beloved boy returning home would be done and she'd be behind it 100%

Who knew which of the resident Japanese wouldn't pass information or coordinate a population attack? It's real easy for you, in hindsight, to know there were no attacks on this country, but the people then certainly didn't know.

Your ignorance of threat conditions in the past makes you incompetent to hold an opinion of another probable threat today.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"You forgot this: < / sarcasm > LOL"

Didn't think that'd be necessary, given the conclusion of my statement. ;)

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"We, a nation of 300 million people, are not going to wipe out 1 billion Muslims."

I would hope that's not necessary. In the end, we no more have to kill every Muslim than we had to kill every Nazi party member or follower of the cult of the emperor in Japan to destroy those respective ideologies. Many Muslims don't even know what their book says. Some, when they find out, convert to Christianity.

"Do you think that would actually help win the war? No, it wouldn't."

Of course you wouldn't think that. It's not NICE. Of course, no one ever won a war being NICE in the history of mankind.

"It would drive the vast majority of the 1 billion Muslims into our enemy's camp."

They're just as much in the "enemy's camp" as the German civilians were.

"As long as they aren't doing something criminal, they have the same rights as any other American."

Kerry, again.

[Melas]

You don't think that interring Japanese saved a lot of Japanese lives? It did. The anger of Americans after the bombing of Pearl was unthinking, and understandable. A number of Japanese never made it to the camps. Would you have seen more of that?

For starters, let's accurately use the language. Japanese weren't interred, they were deported. Americans of Japanese descent were interred. It stings a helluva lot worse when you drop the facade that we interred foreigners (we did not) and state unequivocally that we locked up American citizens for being born of the wrong ethnicity.

Here you are, 60 years after the fact, judging the consequences of war, a war in which a lot of American mother's son were killed. And every mother of a soldier stayed at home waiting for that telegram.

Your point is? Or rather what does this have to do with suspending the constitutional rights of Americans for having the wrong skin tone? For the record, my father, now departed was off fighting that war. It was he, a decorated veteran and purple heart recipient on Omaha who first taught me that what did to Americans of Japanese descent was criminal. So don't hide behind the flag, it won't wash with me, I know better.

Your ignorance of threat conditions in the past makes you incompetent to hold an opinion of another probable threat today.

Oh please, your rubbish only sounds competent to you because you simply don't know any better. Genuinely moral ideas are just beyond your ability to grasp so they only seem incompetent to you.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"How 'bout Buchannon? (half serious)"

He's right on this civilizational war, but he thinks we've already lost it. He's depressing.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"You made your position clear in the above, and I don't find you to be particularly useful, so further dialogue would be pointless."

Good. You surrender. How nice. Now, if you would only learn something from the rest of us here... the Constitution isn't a suicide pact.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Japanese weren't interred,"

No, they weren't killed and buried. They were INTERNED. When you accuse others of inaccurately using the language and then do this..... LOL The same kind of "internment" faced by Allied personnel caught in neutral countries....

"that we locked up American citizens for being born of the wrong ethnicity."

We "locked up" (actually, transported from sensitive areas) first generation foreign born Japanese AND Germans and Italians (something you keep forgetting). Their 2nd generation went with them. Quite a few PATRIOTIC Japanese Nisei understood this and why it had to happen.

"It was he, a decorated veteran and purple heart recipient on Omaha who first taught me that what did to Americans of Japanese descent was criminal. "

My grandfather served in the Pacific Theater. He had a different perspective. You know, you're pretty sanctimonious about a subject you know little about. I'd suggest a little bit of research. Start with MAGIC (classified at the time and not something your father would have been aware of then). I would bet you'd prefer to parrot MSM assumptions instead.

[William Terrell]

For starters, let's accurately use the language. Japanese weren't interred, they were deported. Americans of Japanese descent were interred.

Quibble. To Americans a Japanese was a Japanese, and they were killing their sons. You're 60 years from the event.

Your point is?

There were women who breathed a sigh of relief when Japanese were interred. You could have polled the women who has sons in the Pacific theater and I doubt you would have collected more than a dozen who were against the interment.

Don't blame it on your father. The American President had war powers, and they were used. You had better believe that he would have been skinned alive, along with the Japanese individual that was left rooming the country.

Your father was in the vast minority. It was decades after the war that liberal groups started this bleeding heart whining about the interment of Japanese peoples. It didn't start sooner because Americans still remembered the commonsense of the act, like the bilge about dropping a nuke on Japan.

It's awful handy to be safe to criticize six decades ofter the event, yes?

[Alissa]

I'm all for sharia islamic gov't, only if it is contained in NYC, LA & SF. (Sorry, sarcism only) Might add Boston to the list, and throw in Austin, since I live in Texas. That would at least eliminate the females from voting.

[Melas]

Good. You surrender. How nice. Now, if you would only learn something from the rest of us here... the Constitution isn't a suicide pact.

Lol, surrender? Hardly. I'll continue on voting my conscience at the polls and supporting those ideas which seem anethma to you with my monetary contributions. So, no pal, there is no surrender. I am however ceasing to toss peals before swine in this discussion.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"I'll continue on voting my conscience at the polls and supporting those ideas which seem anethma to you with my monetary contributions. "

I guess I can see a lot of election days where you pull the "D" lever....

"So, no pal, there is no surrender. I am however ceasing to toss peals before swine in this discussion."

You're on the wrong side of history, Melas.

[EverOnward]

Re your taxicab drivers -- you must work in DC. Taking a cab to/from Dulles Airport is such a joy (sarcasm) -- you can feel the hatred. If their dirty looks could kill, most of their customers would be dead.

[EverOnward]

"There are plenty of peaceful Muslims. Would you round them up simply for their religion? I admit some of them are doing very evil things, but does that justify treating all Muslims like criminals?"

Post No. 47 answers your question very well.

[dvan]

"the word Islam triggers negative connotations such as "war," "hatred" and "terrorist."

Gee and they haven't done a helluva lot to correct that impression have they?

[Joan Kerrey]

Muslims have a lot to offer to the United States and the improvement of our country."

And the definition of "improvement" is ??????

[GSlob]

...is their absence.

[backtothestreets]

A.A.C. I understand your sentiments completely. I'll present something in a moment I hope you'll give your consideration in reaching a conclusive decision regarding the root of the problems we, in all Western Civilization, have with Islam today. Before embarking down that path, I most often find myself in opposition to what you term "SlimeStreamMedia", President Bush and quite nearly all our political leaders, renown authors like Robert Spencer and Victor Davis Hanson addressing the threats posed by Islam, and Karen Armstrong, she being adamant supporter and apologist of Islam. To me, all these figures stop short of holding Islam responsible to varying degrees.

Now the item I wanted to share with you is from one of these people, Robert Spencer. I believe it should be heard by as many as possible to understand why this confrontation with Islam is occurring at this point in history. If you follow this link, http://multimedia.heritage.org/content/wm/Allison-111406.wvx you will have an opportunity to view a presentation Mr. Spencer made before The Heritage Foundation about his book "The Truth of Muhammad". At 51 minutes into his presentation, and during a question and answer period, he brings attention to something we all suspect exists, but lack specific knowledge. This specific segment last just under 4 minutes.

Essentially he details agreements Western nations entered into with Arab oil producing states in response to the 1973 Arab Oil Embargo. To assure the steady flow, these nations agreed to accept a steady flow of Muslim immigrants from Islamic states with a promise not to try to assimilate them into western culture. In short, by way of our leadership we have agreed to paying for Arab oil supplies with our hard cash and Muslim immigration within our nations.

If the opportunity exists, please watch the full presentation. It is excellent, although I still hold hope Robert Spencer will soon stop making exceptions for Islam, he comes as close to my own perspective that I've heard expressed by one of his stature.

[Salem]

What a coincidence. I fell over that program on cable this afternoon. Watched about ten minutes but being pretty familiar with the content, I went to doing other things.

Nonetheless, it is another example of media resources being produced out there that are starting to encroach on the hegemony of the MSM and the America hating Left's territory.

Which is good news.  

[ladyjane]

Klien dosen't know it but he the would be the first one they would kill .

Klein is a jerk. He is still fighting the Nazis and now he is alienating his audience.