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No matter who wins, Tories hold advantage
Canwest News via National Post [Canada] ^ | Friday, December 1, 2006 | Mark Kennedy

Posted on 12/01/2006 5:32:53 PM PST by canuck_conservative

MONTREAL - The Liberals would easily be beaten by Stephen Harper's Conservatives -- no matter which of the four main leadership contenders headed the party -- if an election was held now, a new poll has found.

The poll, conducted by Ipsos Reid for CanWest News Service/Global News and released yesterday, also found that none of the four leading candidates has caught fire among Canadians as someone who would persuade them to vote Liberal.

In fact, they all stand about the same chance of attracting voters back to the Liberal fold, but the result would nonetheless be another election loss.

"Each of the potential federal Liberal party leadership candidates, as of today, does not yet pose a threat to the Stephen Harper-led Conservative government," said Ipsos Reid president Darrell Bricker.

"In fact, it would appear that after a divisive and hard-fought leadership race that Liberal voters are as divided as the Liberal convention delegates themselves. The results suggest the issue for Liberals is not who can defeat the Conservative government, but rather: Who can put the Liberal party back together again?"

In its survey, Ipsos Reid reminded Canadians the Liberals were holding a leadership convention and then asked how they would vote in the next election if the parties were led by a variety of leaders.

The polling results will likely land with a thud at the Liberal convention, where Mr. Ignatieff goes into the first-ballot vote today in first place, while Mr. Rae will likely be in second, Mr. Kennedy in third, and Mr. Dion in fourth.

How the voting progresses in further ballots on Saturday is highly unpredictable.

In recent days, Liberal delegates have tried to determine which of the four contenders is most likely to lead them back to victory in an election as early as next spring.

"The ballot survey shows none of the four leading leadership contenders can claim they have the best chance of beating Stephen Harper," Mr. Bricker said. "And, if winnability isn't the issue, that means that delegates are going to have to move on to other factors to help them make their decision."

Mr. Bricker said one such question might be which leader is best suited to rebuild the Liberal coalition.

© National Post 2006


TOPICS: Canada; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: corruption; liberalpartyofcanada; liberals; libranos
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These poll results put leader Stephen Harper in an interesting position, because under our political system, the governing party can basically call an election when it wants.
1 posted on 12/01/2006 5:32:59 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: Clive; fanfan

For you guys, too.

Stephen Harper still has lots of time to govern, it would appear.


2 posted on 12/01/2006 5:41:19 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

Not to put too fine a point on it, but what were the actual poll results? Curiously, the article is devoid of specifics.


3 posted on 12/01/2006 6:00:44 PM PST by omniscient
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To: canuck_conservative
none of the four leading candidates has caught fire among Canadians as someone who would persuade them to vote Liberal.

Maybe the Canadians have finally woken to the reality that the left have been destroying their culture, their economy, and their future.

Now that the elected government is in Conservative hands if only some lucky accident could open up some seats on the Supreme Court for Conservative Judges.

4 posted on 12/01/2006 6:01:55 PM PST by Pontiac (All are worthy of freedom, none are incapable.)
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To: canuck_conservative; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...

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5 posted on 12/02/2006 2:30:20 AM PST by Clive
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To: canuck_conservative; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; ...
Canada ping.

Please send me a FReepmail to get on or off this Canada ping list.

6 posted on 12/02/2006 4:30:18 AM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: omniscient

"...what were the actual poll results?"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1747138/posts


7 posted on 12/02/2006 5:47:58 AM PST by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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To: fanfan

Tried to watch a few minutes of this. High point was Breada Stron... now has browish-red hair; and is wearing very red lipstick!!!

Well, maybe they have curling on later!!!


8 posted on 12/02/2006 9:07:34 AM PST by Springman
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To: Springman

Curling would be more interesting.

Good thing I'm busy at work today.

;-)


9 posted on 12/02/2006 11:28:48 AM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

No curling yet. Stephane Dion is leading, with the last vote coming up.

BTW, Mrs. Springman's sister gave birth to a healthy 8lb 2oz, 21 inches long baby boy yesterday.

To bad I didn't try to sneak a Cuban cigar from Windsor, back in August, for today:(


10 posted on 12/02/2006 11:50:19 AM PST by Springman
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To: Springman

I must admit I'm surprised to see Dion leading.

Tell Mrs. Springman and her sister congrats from me. Big baby!

Rush Limbaugh says the best cigars come from the Dominican Republic anyway.

;-)


11 posted on 12/02/2006 12:43:54 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

What was Cretian(sp?) talking about, something about making someone waiting at the bathroom? In China?

Still waiting for curling. Also, when I can talk to Mrs. Springman, I'll tell her about your congrats!!!


12 posted on 12/02/2006 2:00:20 PM PST by Springman
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To: canuck_conservative
The Liberals will end up nominating someone with no base in Quebec. That makes it even less likely they will win enough seats there to regain power in the next election.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

13 posted on 12/02/2006 2:04:59 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: canuck_conservative
The other side of the problem is the Liberals have no true party organization west of Manitoba. Alberta is 28 for 28 Conservative.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

14 posted on 12/02/2006 2:06:40 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: fanfan
Stephane Dion is the only francophone in the Liberal leadership. As a federalist, that makes him anathema to much of Quebec. In the old days, Quebecois used to vote Liberal before they would vote for the other party but those days are gone forever.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

15 posted on 12/02/2006 2:09:25 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Springman; GMMAC
What was Cretian(sp?) talking about, something about making someone waiting at the bathroom? In China?

Don't feel bad, Springman.

All the years he was our Prime Minister, nobody could figure out what the heck he was saying in either official language.

"A proof is a proof, and when you have a proof, it's because it's been proven."

16 posted on 12/02/2006 3:23:44 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

"A proof is proof" LOL!!! I remember hearing him before, couldn't make sence of him then either.

BTW, Mrs. Springman said to say thank you. Baby Logan has a full head of dark red hair, but the poor little guy had just been sniped, when they saw him. OUCH!!


17 posted on 12/02/2006 3:57:28 PM PST by Springman
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To: Springman

If he's a redhead, he's tough!

;-)


18 posted on 12/02/2006 4:18:11 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

Guess he takes after Dad, (redhead, and tough) just hope he marries her.

Love Blonds, but nothing against nice Dark haired Women!!!! IIRC, there is one in Canada that is very lovely!!!!!

Hope Mr. fanfan doesn't mind, me saying that!!!


19 posted on 12/02/2006 4:32:37 PM PST by Springman
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To: Springman
Why would he mind?

;-)

20 posted on 12/02/2006 4:38:49 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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